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The Galley :: RE: Domino's Pizza - Domino's Pulling the Cheese

Krazy Kat — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:05:43 GMT

Author: Krazy Kat
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:05 am (GMT 0)

Makes no sense to me!
Phone pizza delivery,
Save money on chefs!

The Galley :: RE: Domino's Pizza - Domino's Pulling the Cheese

Vader — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:50:00 GMT

Author: Vader
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:50 pm (GMT 0)

This I know fo sure
Food related haikus rock
You made me lol hard
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D&D-Darkwood :: RE: Darkness Rising

Led Pighp — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:27:51 GMT

Author: Led Pighp
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:27 pm (GMT 0)

Elated at the mage's death, the first death of the fight no less, Led nonetheless realizes how dangerous his position is. Wedged between the two attackers, he wouldn't be able to effectively charge without taking a beating. So, he dashes away to better assault his enemies later.

Second turn shifted
Dodge vs. elf (the one who just did all that damage)
Withdraw action (no Attack of Opportunity)
Head towards Skyseeker (map hasn't been updated yet, so not sure exactly where that is)

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Pantheon :: RE: Pantheon: The Third Age - Rules and Comments Thread

Menolly — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:18:16 GMT

Author: Menolly
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:18 pm (GMT 0)

That was were my thoughts were headed...

Does "Uncle Madadeva" run a holiday camp?
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Pantheon :: RE: Pantheon: The Third Age - Rules and Comments Thread

Creator — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:14:53 GMT

Author: Creator
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:14 pm (GMT 0)

Hmmmm ... wonder if the WB can play pinball!!
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General Discussion Forum :: RE: Win Wayfriend's Money

wayfriend — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:51:47 GMT

Author: wayfriend
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:51 pm (GMT 0)

That's ten.

Stay tuned on this channel.
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Hile Troy's Think-Tank :: RE: Frank Herbert anti-Statist or something else?

Vraith — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:49:09 GMT

Author: Vraith
Subject: Re: Frank Herbert anti-Statist or something else?
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:49 pm (GMT 0)

wayfriend wrote:

Then there are some books, not really a series, but which have a common main character, Jorj X. McKie. These books demonstrate a fondness for a sharp and tricky legal mind. McKie works for "the Bureau of Sabotage", whose noble goal is to prevent beaurocracies from growing too large and cumbersome by throwing in monkeywrenches where they see fit. You might therefore think Herbert is anti-beaurocracy ... until you think about it. The Gawachin in this series, which Herbert clearly admires, have an unusual system of law in which lawyers put their lives on the line to try cases.

"The Dosadi Experiment" was one of those...that book is terrific. And it's not just the Lawyers...the Judges can be killed mid-trial, and being "found innocent" is generally a very bad outcome [I think the populace tends to kill you once you leave the courtroom, IIRC].
There are parallels to Dune-thought. The "protagonists" are subjected to an environment so extreme that the average janitor is a demon from hell compared to most people, lack of self-discipline equals death, [as the Fremen], and an outsider who can become "more native than the natives" is the hero. [survival/self-discipline/freedom/adaptability].
I think you're mistaken on the Sabotuers role though: it isn't to prevent the cumbersome nature of bureaucracy, it is because bureaucracy has become so precise, refined, and efficient it will govern everything and trample freedom/intelligence that the sabotage is necessary [if I recall correctly, the bureau actually has to sabotage itself]. That has some Dune parallels, too. [Bureaucracy/God Emporer's gov't].
I agree, though, that Herbert's thought is extremely difficult to tack a label on. The series that includes "The Jesus Incident" has quite a different feel/tone/attitude, but still some overlapping territory.
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General Fantasy/Sci-Fi Discussion :: RE: Time Enough for Love

Krazy Kat — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:18:04 GMT

Author: Krazy Kat
Subject: Re: Time Enough for Love
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:18 pm (GMT 0)

Rigel wrote:

Well, Heinlein certainly was subtle, wasn't he?.

One question, though: what are we to make of the ending? Literal interpretation of the statements by the characters, or they're just being supportive?

Spoiler:

"Maureen?" Lazarus murmured.
"I'm here, darling," Tamara answered.
...
"Just a dream, Beloved. You cannot die."

Given that Lazarus explicitly stated he didn't know what became of Maureen, are we to understand that she really is Tamara? Especially since the previous page ("You are you, playing chess with yourself, and again you have checkmated yourself") seems to lend credence to the immortality bit...

...or is it supposed to be something along the lines of reincarnation, that Lazarus is every human in turn? There are certainly parts of the book where he goes back and forth between talking about another person, and talking as if he is that person...

...or is it none of those, and Tamara was just comforting him with the typical "Don't die!" type of comment?

I too am a hopeless romantic. So when I found sections of this book to be uncomfortable reading I forcibly turned a blind eye to them on the gut feeling that I'd miss out on a highly fantastic vision.

One thing was always in the back of my mind - Lazarus Long was a liar: not to deceive but to reveal.

One other thing about Heinlen and his contemporaries, is that they were essentially minimalists. They say more by revealing less.
For example, the population of New Rome wasn't as much as I thought it could be, for a city in 4032 (or whatever!!!). So why did the family have to go outdoors armed. This is too much like the old American wild-west. In a futuristic landscape the population should be millions. So perhaps it was only the population of the "Howards" that was the most important fact.
At least this gives my imagination free reign to explore other possibilities!

Spoiler:

So, was Tamara, Maureen? I'd yes, and no. Both could work towards a complete story arc.

Did L.L. become his own father?

I don't think so. It's too gross!
But the implications are there.
L.L. tells lies, right, so when he drove Maureen to the park what if she really wasn't pregnant. The kid in the trunk was carried into the back seat where he curled up into a featous (sp?) position. Maureen throws a blanket over him and they drive on to Electric Park.
Conclusion: he really nicked the kid's toy elephant. He needed it as a memory item, in addition to Maureen's gifts.

I think his true love was Dora. His trip back in time was to solve the problem of getting her out of the computer and back into the real world.

These are just some of my initial impressions on the story. I'd need to let the dust settle on this book, as someday I'd love to read it again.

General Discussion Forum :: RE: Win Wayfriend's Money

Menolly — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:15:41 GMT

Author: Menolly
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:15 pm (GMT 0)

Fist and Faith wrote:

Are you kidding??

UNAMBERGRISED

I purposely chose not to go with the obvious...
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General Discussion Forum :: RE: Do you live in Tennessee?

Menolly — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:14:31 GMT

Author: Menolly
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:14 pm (GMT 0)

That was my first thought...
WWdlbS?
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Hile Troy's Think-Tank :: RE: Frank Herbert anti-Statist or something else?

Zarathustra — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:05:03 GMT

Author: Zarathustra
Subject: Re: Frank Herbert anti-Statist or something else?
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:05 pm (GMT 0)

Wayfriend, very interesting.
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Remain faithful to the earth, my brothers, with the power of your virtue. Let your gift-giving love and your knowledge serve the meaning of the earth.. . .Do not let them fly away from earthly things and beat with their wings against eternal walls. Alas, there has always been so much virtue that has flown away. Lead back to the earth the virtue that flew away, as I do�back to the body, back to life, that it may give the earth a meaning, a human meaning. -Nietzsche

General Discussion Forum :: RE: Win Wayfriend's Money

sgt.null — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:01:55 GMT

Author: sgt.null
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:01 pm (GMT 0)

Water in the north has sprung from the one of heaven, which is complemented by the six of earth. Fire in the south has sprung from the two of earth, which is complemented by the eight of earth. Metal in the west has sprung from the four of earth, which is complemented by the nine of heaven.

but i t'hink that srd stole that from Confucius
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General Discussion Forum :: RE: Do you live in Tennessee?

Savor Dam — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:59:36 GMT

Author: Savor Dam
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:59 pm (GMT 0)

Well, I will be interested in what, if anything, dlb has to say about this...
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General Discussion Forum :: RE: Win Wayfriend's Money

Fist and Faith — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:56:27 GMT

Author: Fist and Faith
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:56 pm (GMT 0)

Are you kidding??

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"Ablutions" would be my second choice.
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General Discussion Forum :: RE: Do you live in Tennessee?

Fist and Faith — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:54:27 GMT

Author: Fist and Faith
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:54 pm (GMT 0)

I like him! I like him a lot!
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The Hall of Gifts :: RE: bobblings

sgt.null — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:53:16 GMT

Author: sgt.null
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:53 pm (GMT 0)

4:36 am

do you ever wake up, tears
in your eyes. sitting in the
dark, careful not to wake up
your spouse. and do you sit
there in the dark, wishing you
could smoke. trying hard to
not think about the one you
hurt. the one who could never
forgive you. and do you wish
that you could take it all back.
and then end up in front of the
bathroom mirror, wondering...
who i slooking back at you....

leah

am i a regret or a fond memory.
can you sing for him, voice cracked
with smoke an dbeer, fumbling
for the right chord. does he hold you
close in the rain, kissing you raw.
when you ever think of me, do you
feel lonely. when it gets cold, will you
love him like you said you loved me.
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The Galley :: RE: Domino's Pizza - Domino's Pulling the Cheese

Dread Poet Jethro — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:51:16 GMT

Author: Dread Poet Jethro
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:51 pm (GMT 0)

Thanks for the insight
On how commercials are made
Seems this one "o-curd"
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General Discussion Forum :: RE: Win Wayfriend's Money

wayfriend — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:37:36 GMT

Author: wayfriend
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:37 pm (GMT 0)

"curiosity" is in.

"the" and "and" are not.

By fiat.
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General Discussion Forum :: RE: Anyone else trying to lose weight?

sgt.null — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:36:33 GMT

Author: sgt.null
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:36 pm (GMT 0)

thank you ali. going to buy some new clothes monday so i may attend a religious thing.
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Hile Troy's Think-Tank :: RE: Religious descrimination???

Cail — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:34:22 GMT

Author: Cail
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:34 pm (GMT 0)

Syl wrote:

Cail wrote:

Ignoring a response.....you mean like you've done with my question about schools accrediting doctors who believe in a right to die?

Can you point me towards where you asked me this? I can't find it.

First page of the thread, post 11.

Syl wrote:

Quote:

Again, not really sure what you're talking about. The legal document that I posted (the actual complaint) is claiming religious discrimination in this case.

And I said earlier that religious discrimination isn't a good fit. It's discrimination against behavior that arises from religious convictions. It's possible to be very anti-human sacrifice without being anti-P.A.G.A.N.

First of all, mad props for the Dragnet reference (love that movie).

Whether or not you believe that religious discrimination is a good fit isn't the issue. That's the nature of the legal complaint. Wise move on the part of the plaintiffs, as it makes it a 1st Amendment issue. But again, you keep mentioning behavior....There's none to take issue with, all she's done is talk about her beliefs.

[quote="Syl"]

Syl wrote:

Again, this should be obvious since there are presumably no other conservative Christians being denied degrees at ASU. Similarly, I'd hope a New-Earther would be denied a degree in Evolutionary Biology. People can believe whatever crazy shit they want to, but it's nobody's responsibility to help them do so.

Why though? No one's "helping them believe" crazy shit. As I said, less than 25 years ago, homosexuality was dealt with in deviant psychology/sociology courses. Now you and I can (probably) agree that that's some crazy shit, but does that mean that the University of Maryland either shouldn't have given me a degree if I though homosexuality was genetic? Should they recall all their degrees they issued during that time period now that conventional wisdom has changed?

Syl wrote:

Quote:

An employer can choose to hire based on her skill set and her specialty.....She's choosing to specialize in a very narrow field of therapy.

Then she should take her credits to a school that wants to certify that kind of therapy. If, as has been pointed out, other people are doing this, it shouldn't be a problem. I still say it's weird that this is at ASU (Athens I could maybe understand). Makes me think she must really be a nut.

Again, I stipulate that she may well be a nut, but if the University didn't make this clear to her prior to her entering the program (which you'd think her faculty advisor would have), then they have no grounds to deny her what she's earned.

Syl wrote:

Quote:

Since we're still talking about what's actually transpired rather than future theoreticals, we're talking about the school's position on her beliefs (she's never actually practiced her form of therapy, only spoken about it in the abstract of a classroom).

Or it could be on the school's position on how her beliefs will affect her practice.

Could be, but that's inappropriate. Denying a degree because of what might happen in the future? Come on, no way that passes the BS test.

Syl wrote:

Quote:

And it seems pretty clear that a public institution has no business telling students what they can or can't believe.

She's welcome to believe whatever she wants. If she was getting a Rel. Studies degree, this wouldn't be an issue. A university has every right telling a person what they should know, however.

According to every article I've read, she knows the subject matter, and has passing grades. The only thing being questioned are her religious beliefs. That doesn't pass muster.

SerScot- I'm not so much asking that the state intervene, as I'm asking them to enforce the contract they have with this student.
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General Discussion Forum :: RE: 13

sgt.null — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:33:51 GMT

Author: sgt.null
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:33 pm (GMT 0)

Gregorian calendar 436
CDXXXVI
Ab urbe condita 1188
Armenian calendar N/A
Bah�'� calendar -1408 � -1407
Bengali calendar -157
Berber calendar 1386
Buddhist calendar 980
Burmese calendar -202
Byzantine calendar 5944 � 5945
Chinese calendar 乙亥年十一月廿七日
(3072/3132-11-27)
� to �
丙子年十二月初八日
(3073/3133-12-
Coptic calendar 152 � 153
Ethiopian calendar 428 � 429
Hebrew calendar 4196 � 4197
Hindu calendars
- Bikram Samwat 492 � 493
- Shaka Samvat 358 � 359
- Kali Yuga 3537 � 3538
Holocene calendar 10436
Iranian calendar 186 BP � 185 BP
Islamic calendar 192 BH � 191 BH
Japanese calendar
Korean calendar 2769
Thai solar calendar 979
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Hile Troy's Think-Tank :: RE: Frank Herbert anti-Statist or something else?

wayfriend — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:33:17 GMT

Author: wayfriend
Subject: Re: Frank Herbert anti-Statist or something else?
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:33 pm (GMT 0)

SerScot wrote:

What does everyone think? Is Frank Herbert a libertarian who arose among the leftist literature of the Sixties? Who would disagree with this assesment and why?

I would say that I have read a lot of Frank Herbert's books, many more than the Dune series.

The Dune universe is complex. The galactic government, if anything, is monarchial, with a distinct ruling class. These guys seem more or less at the mercy of manipulative forces, such as the Guild (economic), the Bene Geserit (social engineering), Ix (technologic), etc. Then there's Paul Atriedes.

I'm not sure what you can deduce about Herbert's politics from this. All of these are played as good, bad, or neutral at one time or another.

Yes, there are examples of oppressive cultures. However, they are meant to be oppressive, as part of what drives the plot. I think anyone, of any politics, would find them to be so.

However, there are other Herbert stories that are much more political.

White Plague stands out for me as the most political. It's, among other things, a scathing attack on terrorism and terrorists. In the time it was written, decades before 9/11, when groups like the IRA and the PLO had many sympathizers and apologists, it was rather profound.

Soul Catcher is the story about an native American Indian who abducts a small boy to ritually murder him. Herbert writes this on the side of the Indian, makes you see why it is necessary. Politically, I think this exposes Herbert's tendency to consider individual human lives of less importance than transcendent ideas. On the other hand, also too is an ability to see value in other cultures.

Then there are some books, not really a series, but which have a common main character, Jorj X. McKie. These books demonstrate a fondness for a sharp and tricky legal mind. McKie works for "the Bureau of Sabotage", whose noble goal is to prevent beaurocracies from growing too large and cumbersome by throwing in monkeywrenches where they see fit. You might therefore think Herbert is anti-beaurocracy ... until you think about it. The Gawachin in this series, which Herbert clearly admires, have an unusual system of law in which lawyers put their lives on the line to try cases.

Herbert, to my mind, has so many aspects that do not fit a conservative model or a liberal one. I don't think you can pin him down.

He did, however, work as a speechwriter for three or four Republican politicians. All of whom lost. You might therefore think Herbert was a Republican ... until you think about it.
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sgt.null — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:27:55 GMT

Author: sgt.null
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:27 pm (GMT 0)

sydney barrett his-self wrote this in memorie of lorde fowle

rooftop in a thunderstorm row missing the point

With yellow, red and roomy food, and quivered
Crouching on a golden cushion
Undressed himself to disappear
Through an infinity of pleasure
And smiled to free the running me
With "Am I my brother's keeper?"
His meek hand on devils gloves
Shaping running blood

The prophecy, to recreate the truth
In visions of a seasonal mood
In truth, the only sight he saw
Lay hidden in the bathroom door
And spat on the rug
As high is high, so low is low
And that's the end of it
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General Discussion Forum :: RE: Win Wayfriend's Money

Vraith — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:24:33 GMT

Author: Vraith
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:24 pm (GMT 0)

hmmm...
I like orogeny from the Last C's.

But desuetude from the first.
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Words support like bone...dreaming of Mercy Street.

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General Discussion Forum :: RE: Win Wayfriend's Money

Menolly — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:23:58 GMT

Author: Menolly
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:23 pm (GMT 0)

mansuetude
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