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Hile Troy's Think-Tank :: RE: Plan B

Avatar — Fri, 24 May 2013 04:38:22 GMT

Author: Avatar
Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 4:38 am (GMT 0)

For what it's worth, it wasn't me, but I disagree that it protects child abusers. I don't even see how it could, unless you mean it gives them means to destroy the evidence.

I would say that it would protect their victims from having an unwanted child.

--A
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The Summonsing :: RE: The Wedding Anniversary Thread

Avatar — Fri, 24 May 2013 04:18:48 GMT

Author: Avatar
Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 4:18 am (GMT 0)

Congrats StevieG.

(We are talking about StevieG right?) (Say, 15 years...does that make him older than I had assumed?)

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Hile Troy's Think-Tank :: RE: A & F: What's Wrong With Selling Just to 'Cool People?'

Cail — Fri, 24 May 2013 01:54:30 GMT

Author: Cail
Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 1:54 am (GMT 0)

I salute their position and think they're pansies for apologizing.
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Hile Troy's Think-Tank :: A & F: What's Wrong With Selling Just to 'Cool People?'

Harbinger — Fri, 24 May 2013 01:44:58 GMT

Author: Harbinger
Subject: A & F: What's Wrong With Selling Just to 'Cool People?'
Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 1:44 am (GMT 0)

Quote:

Abercrombie & Fitch CEO Mike Jeffries set off a cultural backlash when said that his company is primarily interested in 'good-looking people.' But the company is jealously guarding its brand, even as the market for plus-size teens grows.

Abercrombie & Fitch, one of the top sellers of young adult clothing in America, is again mired in controversy, this time over its refusal to offer plus-size clothes for teens.

The retailer, which operates 295 stores across the US, is the target of several online protests responding to comments made in a 2006 interview by its CEO, Mike Jeffries, who said he is primarily interested in marketing to �the cool kids� and �good-looking people.�

�We go after the attractive all-American kid with a great attitude and a lot of friends. A lot of people don�t belong [in our clothes], and they can�t belong. Are we exclusionary? Absolutely. Those companies that are in trouble are trying to target everybody: young, old, fat, skinny. But then you become totally vanilla.�

The remarks, which originally ran in Salon, were republished this month by Business Insider in a wider story about marketing to plus-size teenagers. The article title, �Abercrombie & Fitch refuses to make clothes for large women,� didn�t help soften things either.

Mr. Jeffries says the quotes were taken out of context. In a Facebook posting last week, he said that while he regretted his word choice and is �strongly committed to diversity and inclusion,� his brand is �aspirational� in that �targets its marketing at a particular segment of customers.�

This week, a spokesperson for the company told NBC News that, �we sincerely regret and apologize for any offense caused by comments we have made in the past which are contrary� to �diversity and inclusion.�

Those gestures have not swayed critics who say the company is creating damaging images for teenagers both through its marketing images, which typically show svelte models in provocative poses, and its policy of not offering clothing for women above size 10.

The controversy is not the first for the retailer. In the past, it was criticized for photo shoots that showed young teenagers in positions that suggested they were participating in group sex, along with ad copy in its catalog that some ridiculed as soft pornography. The company is also remembered for a T-shirt line, later recalled, that mocked Asians

An online protest that asks the company to �start making clothes for young people of all shapes and sizes� has collected more than 71,000 signatures, and a viral video on YouTube that asks people who own clothing made by the company to donate them to the homeless, has more than 7.2 million views. Other protests, such as a campaign by plus-size blogger Jes Baker, have entered the spotlight for presenting arguments on why catering to the needs of plus-size youth matters.

The plus-size market for teenage clothing was largely ignored until the recession, says Marshal Cohen, chief retail analyst at the NPD Group. Once considered a niche, with growth potential in the single digits, the market is now more desirous for companies that need to make their bottom line at whatever cost. That can mean expanding their clothing lines with fashion-forward products that appeal to the growing population of plus-size teens.

Swedish retailer H&M, denim retailer Lucky Brand, and The Limited all created specialty brands targeting teenage girls who are plus-sized. Even reality television stars the Kardashian sisters are getting into the game; their plus-size brand Kardashian Kurves, launched this year at Sears.

�We�re just getting bigger and bigger and bigger so the number of people entering into plus-size continues to get bigger. There�s always been the opportunity, but never one that somebody�s tried to capitalize on before,� says Mr. Cohen. �What you have now are consumers desperately seeking fashion for their size and retailers saying, �We get it, we�ll offer you something.� �

Research that shows that obesity is particularly prevalent among children and teenagers. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) says that in 2009-10, 17 percent of US children and adolescents were reported as obese, which is three times the obesity rate just one generation ago. The age group most likely to be obese: those aged 12 to 19.

The NPD Group, a market research firm in Port Washington, N.Y., says that clothing retailers have mostly accommodated this trend by offering larger clothing sizes � since 1960, for example, the average dress size increased from size 8 to 14. Two-thirds of women identify themselves as �special-sized,� according to NPD, which means there is more demand for this type of clothing in the women�s clothing market, valued at $111 billion in 2012.

Cohen says that despite the opportunity that others have capitalized on, it is unlikely that Abercrombie & Fitch will do a mea culpa and launch a plus-size brand.

�Abercrombie from Day 1 said, �We are about the iconic image of the quintessential affluent teen' � and they want to maintain that certain imagery at all cost,� he says. Switching gears in response to the current controversy may appease critics, he adds, but it will ultimately dilute what gave the brand value in the first place.

�If they alter their course, they�ll do more damage than good,� Cohen says. �If you try to be something for everybody, you end up being nothing for everyone.�

Yet another shining example of what is wrong with this country. Why would a 'plus' sized person even want to do business with a company that doesn't want their dollars? Bottom line: If they don't want to make clothes for fat people then they don't have to.
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Hile Troy's Think-Tank :: RE: Rand Paul

sindatur — Thu, 23 May 2013 23:05:13 GMT

Author: sindatur
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:05 pm (GMT 0)

Cybrweez wrote:

This is what happens when Congress is bi-partisan.

Nah, Bi-Partisan means Donors on both side of the aisle get sweet deals
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The Summonsing :: RE: The Birthday Thread

Hashi Lebwohl — Thu, 23 May 2013 23:00:41 GMT

Author: Hashi Lebwohl
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:00 pm (GMT 0)

hrm...yes. Mind games indeed.
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The Summonsing :: RE: The Birthday Thread

sindatur — Thu, 23 May 2013 22:59:47 GMT

Author: sindatur
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:59 pm (GMT 0)

Hashi Lebwohl wrote:

Effaeldm wrote:

Hashi Lebwohl wrote:

normally

This word seems mildly familiar... I must have seen it sometime before somewhere... somewhere off the Watch I guess

Heh, yes, Posting styles, do sometimes give a person away. Our own Poster Lurch, has a unique posting style with his commas and Elipses, and I recognized him instantly on The ABC LOST Board, back when LOST was airing (Of course, I verified with him, if it was indeed him, since Username was different).

There's a guy on TrekBBS that reminds me alot of SgtNull, but, since Australia isn't a City in Texas, I can be fairly confident that poster isn't SgtNull
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The Summonsing :: RE: The Birthday Thread

Effaeldm — Thu, 23 May 2013 22:33:36 GMT

Author: Effaeldm
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:33 pm (GMT 0)

Or maybe I like playing mind games... oh wait. Not "maybe".
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The Summonsing :: RE: The Wedding Anniversary Thread

Effaeldm — Thu, 23 May 2013 22:24:02 GMT

Author: Effaeldm
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:24 pm (GMT 0)

Happy anniversary!

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The Galley :: RE: Low Carb...at Menolly's request

Savor Dam — Thu, 23 May 2013 22:15:43 GMT

Author: Savor Dam
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:15 pm (GMT 0)

What a wonderful contrast. Behind the pictures, I know that the first one is from about the time we first met in person, though we'd been acquainted online for a while before that. I'm not sure you knew then what you were capable of becoming...but look at what you've done!

Sensible eating, greater activity (learning all about the life that is not lived online), a little gilding the lily, yes.

One other factor, though. You are now in an environment where you are cared about, believed in, and cherished for who you are. That may help make a difference...if only by giving you a reason to care enough about your own well being to accomplish the changes only you could make.

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Hile Troy's Think-Tank :: RE: IRS-Gate: No Ordinary Scandal

Cail — Thu, 23 May 2013 21:54:52 GMT

Author: Cail
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:54 pm (GMT 0)

There's a big difference between knowing and interfering.
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The Galley :: RE: Cigars

Don Exnihilote — Thu, 23 May 2013 21:05:06 GMT

Author: Don Exnihilote
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:05 pm (GMT 0)

Vader wrote:

I used to enjoy a nice cigar (mostly Brazil) after a good dinner but since I quit smoking back in 1999 I voted no.

That's interesting that you didn't prefer Habanos.
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The Galley :: RE: Low Carb...at Menolly's request

Menolly — Thu, 23 May 2013 20:28:53 GMT

Author: Menolly
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 8:28 pm (GMT 0)

What three years of mostly following a low-carb WOE and daily walking can do.
(...not to mention a little make-up)

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Hile Troy's Think-Tank :: RE: Rand Paul

Cybrweez — Thu, 23 May 2013 19:36:54 GMT

Author: Cybrweez
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 7:36 pm (GMT 0)

This is what happens when Congress is bi-partisan.
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The Summonsing :: RE: The Wedding Anniversary Thread

Savor Dam — Thu, 23 May 2013 19:32:26 GMT

Author: Savor Dam
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 7:32 pm (GMT 0)

Happy 15th anniversary!

Iolanthe provided the crystal and can accompany Menolly in a celebratory serenade. I know better than to offer a dessert to the Queen of Cake Art. Perhaps...

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The Summonsing :: RE: The Wedding Anniversary Thread

Menolly — Thu, 23 May 2013 19:12:28 GMT

Author: Menolly
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 7:12 pm (GMT 0)

Happy anniversary, Stevie and Eve!
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The Chronicles Art Gallery :: RE: The Last Dark Artwork

Blackhawk — Thu, 23 May 2013 19:01:54 GMT

Author: Blackhawk
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 7:01 pm (GMT 0)

wayfriend wrote:

Thank you Blackhawk. I knew you'd come through.

Now, to figure out what it is ...

im not sure if I can tell you what it is without it being a spoiler, I removed something from the original artwork but even that would not have given much more insight to what the scene was depicting. I actually did this image in October of 2012 so i cant remember without going into old Emails from which book AATE or TFD it was created, I still have to read AATE, and i believe it may have been a scene taken from the end of AATE. but Romeo fed me descriptions and a bit of spoiler without giving too much away for me. I cant wait to read it to find out myself.

deer of the dawn wrote:

Awesome!! Thanks for this.

Thank you!! I am glad you like it, I have a couple different perspectives that i had created before i finished the one approved for use in the trailer. A combo of Bryce and Alot of touch up Photoshop tablet work for this final version.
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The Chronicles Art Gallery :: RE: Rime WIP (no TLD stuff)

I'm Murrin — Thu, 23 May 2013 18:56:48 GMT

Author: I'm Murrin
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 6:56 pm (GMT 0)

I like the colours. There's some nice detail on the armour.
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The Chronicles Art Gallery :: RE: Rime WIP (no TLD stuff)

Frostheart — Thu, 23 May 2013 18:50:53 GMT

Author: Frostheart
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 6:50 pm (GMT 0)

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Fatal Revenant :: RE: Bought a misprint, need help! Spoiler(s)!

Billy G. — Thu, 23 May 2013 17:41:42 GMT

Author: Billy G.
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 5:41 pm (GMT 0)

I now have an EPUB copy of FR. If you want the missing pages, send me a private message.

I think the size isn't much more than a meg or two. I could e-mail them to you...

The Summonsing :: RE: The Birthday Thread

Hashi Lebwohl — Thu, 23 May 2013 17:31:56 GMT

Author: Hashi Lebwohl
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 5:31 pm (GMT 0)

Effaeldm wrote:

Hashi Lebwohl wrote:

normally

This word seems mildly familiar... I must have seen it sometime before somewhere... somewhere off the Watch I guess

Most likely, yes.

It's the little comments like that that make me think Effaeldm knows me from some other board I have been on in the past, which is what intrigues me the most. An anlysis of my vocabulary, sentence structure, and posting habits or quirks could point me out in some online place.
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Hile Troy's Think-Tank :: RE: IRS-Gate: No Ordinary Scandal

Vraith — Thu, 23 May 2013 17:24:37 GMT

Author: Vraith
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 5:24 pm (GMT 0)

Zarathustra wrote:

"What was done wrong was some of the words/phrases singled out are clearly biased while ALSO not being directly/particularly political." But this doesn't at all clear up the question I've given repeatedly: if the targeting wasn't done for political bias, then what did the IRS do wrong?

Well, I THOUGHT I've been saying that it was biased, was political, [IMO] whether they say [or even believe] it wasn't or not.
[as I also said, the only possible way it could potentially be unbiased is if the proportion of conservative groups looked at was because that was the proportion of conservative groups that filed applications...I doubt that was the case.]

I'm not saying the number affected alters WHETHER it is right or wrong.
But the size/scale and other facts discovered should have some relationship with the responses.

I think "Tea Party" can be justified because large numbers of groups who use that label explicitly engage in activities that are limited by 501c4 rules. It's the reason they exist.
But "education on rights and the constitution," even though most commonly of a conservative bent, don't have that background. Not only that, if they are really doing what they say they intend, that activity is explicitly ALLOWED for c4's. So singling them out without some other kind of evidence is wrong, and would be even if it wasn't biased. But it is biased in addition because few "liberal" groups saying things like...IDK..."advocating for Gov't - sponsored health care for all" were singled out. [And applications with, say "Progressive Democrats of America" would be justifiable for extra scrutiny, as the opposite of Tea Party, for the same reason.]

I think it's valid to criticize how slowly and weakly it was dealt with.
But it isn't valid to say "Obama should have known and done something."
Because he shouldn't know, and definitely shouldn't get involved in ongoing investigations like this. [he might even be prohibited from doing so...I'm not familiar with all the rules for these procedures.]
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Fatal Revenant :: RE: Bought a misprint, need help! Spoiler(s)!

Cgreer14 — Thu, 23 May 2013 17:23:24 GMT

Author: Cgreer14
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 5:23 pm (GMT 0)

Aah, thank you! I was certain it had something to do with covenant and her son. I am all to suspicious of sites offering things that sound too good to be true, but I will take a look at that site.

Fatal Revenant :: RE: Bought a misprint, need help! Spoiler(s)!

Billy G. — Thu, 23 May 2013 16:49:28 GMT

Author: Billy G.
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 4:49 pm (GMT 0)

I found a site. It will cost you $1.99 for a full .pdf download of FR by Friday May 24th. You have to sign up for a free membership but the book downloads are paid for a la carte.

http://booksiqo.bugs3.com/download-book-fatal-revenant-the-last-chronicles-of-thomas-covenant-book-2/

Use this link for the pdf after you sign up:

http://wtftds.info/go.php?sid=26&tds-book=Fatal-Revenant--The-Last-Chronicles-of-Thomas-Covenant--Book-2-.pdf

Fatal Revenant :: RE: Bought a misprint, need help! Spoiler(s)!

Billy G. — Thu, 23 May 2013 16:34:22 GMT

Author: Billy G.
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 4:34 pm (GMT 0)

Covenant and Jeremiah transport themselves and Linden 10,000 years into the past to near Garroting Deep and the Last Hills.

Their objective was to get near Melenkurion Skyweir, but they got "intercepted" by an invisible being, who shows himself as the Theomach.

From there they go down into Berek's camp, where you can pick it up again.

I will look around the web for the missing pages for you.

Welcome to KW!

Kevin's Watch

Hile Troy's Think-Tank :: RE: Plan B

The Summonsing :: RE: The Wedding Anniversary Thread

Hile Troy's Think-Tank :: RE: A & F: What's Wrong With Selling Just to 'Cool People?'

Hile Troy's Think-Tank :: A & F: What's Wrong With Selling Just to 'Cool People?'

Hile Troy's Think-Tank :: RE: Rand Paul

The Summonsing :: RE: The Birthday Thread

The Summonsing :: RE: The Birthday Thread

The Summonsing :: RE: The Birthday Thread

The Summonsing :: RE: The Wedding Anniversary Thread

The Galley :: RE: Low Carb...at Menolly's request

Hile Troy's Think-Tank :: RE: IRS-Gate: No Ordinary Scandal

The Galley :: RE: Cigars

The Galley :: RE: Low Carb...at Menolly's request

Hile Troy's Think-Tank :: RE: Rand Paul

The Summonsing :: RE: The Wedding Anniversary Thread

The Summonsing :: RE: The Wedding Anniversary Thread

The Chronicles Art Gallery :: RE: The Last Dark Artwork

The Chronicles Art Gallery :: RE: Rime WIP (no TLD stuff)

The Chronicles Art Gallery :: RE: Rime WIP (no TLD stuff)

Fatal Revenant :: RE: Bought a misprint, need help! *Spoiler(s)!*

The Summonsing :: RE: The Birthday Thread

Hile Troy's Think-Tank :: RE: IRS-Gate: No Ordinary Scandal

Fatal Revenant :: RE: Bought a misprint, need help! *Spoiler(s)!*

Fatal Revenant :: RE: Bought a misprint, need help! *Spoiler(s)!*

Fatal Revenant :: RE: Bought a misprint, need help! *Spoiler(s)!*

Fatal Revenant :: RE: Bought a misprint, need help! Spoiler(s)!

Fatal Revenant :: RE: Bought a misprint, need help! Spoiler(s)!

Fatal Revenant :: RE: Bought a misprint, need help! Spoiler(s)!

Fatal Revenant :: RE: Bought a misprint, need help! Spoiler(s)!