Kevin's Watch Forum Index
 HomeHome   MemberlistMemberlist   RegisterRegister   SearchSearch   ProfileProfile   FAQFAQ   StatisticsStatistics  SudokuSudoku   Phoogle MapPhoogle Map 
 AlbumAlbum StoresStores   StoresItems Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

TLD First Impressions
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Kevin's Watch Forum Index -> The Last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant -> The Last Dark
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
wayfriend
whilom witling

Male
Joined: 21 Apr 2004
Posts: 19257

Thanks: 11
Thanked 227 Times in 209 Posts

Location: The world of the Bowling Green Massacre
44818 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
3 Member of Linden's Army


PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the other side!

Some of your comments are oft-commented, but some are a bit new. Reboot some discussions, start some discussions!

The tale of why the Chronicles ended the way it ended, why it was written that way and what might the author have been thinking, has yet to be fully revealed. Although there have been some hints. Not that it doesn't stand on its own. But I've become as invested in the author's quest as in the story itself, and I don't think I am alone.
_________________
* I occasionally post things on KevinsWatch because I am a fan of Stephen R. Donaldson; this should not be considered as condonation of the white nationalist propaganda for which this forum has become a platform.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Frostheart Grueburn
Swordmain

FemaleRanyhyn
Joined: 04 Mar 2011
Posts: 1827

Thanks: 0
Thanked 60 Times in 57 Posts

Location: Gianthome
1910 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Giant1 Giant Ship1 Mount Thunder


PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beckiemas wrote:

Stave. What else is there to say?


Indeed. Exclamation

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Yahoo Messenger
Nerdanel
Wrd's child in disguise


Joined: 24 May 2002
Posts: 770

Thanks: 1
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts


448 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Lord's Staff


PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm majorly disappointed, which is related to why I'm posting this comment so late. I buy my books in paperback, so being late is normal, but this time I also had trouble first starting and then continuing the story. I think I read the thing in three widely separated pieces because at times I just couldn't for weeks or months muster the interest to pick up the book again. I've had issues with that sort of thing lately, but even still that doesn't speak well of a book.

In any case TLD felt a lot tighter written and generally better than AATE. I just had trouble caring about stuff. And it's not like being better than AATE is a high bar...

Many of the general faults of TLC continue in TLD, but at least there is now much less time travel. I'm not a fan of the Insequent, so I didn't exactly miss them, but you think they'd have done something about the world ending. If one of them had researched the Worm, the plot hole about putting it to sleep could have been avoided.

I think Linden was actually pretty awesome in this book, at least when she had the Staff of Law.

On the bad side, the plotting continues to feel really random, the pacing is erratic, the atmosphere is pretty much not there, and I don't care about whether those people live or die, which is generally agreed to be a pretty bad thing. ...I notice I'm overusing the word pretty. Maybe that's lingering psychological damage from SRD's cataphracts.

It feels to me that SRD didn't dare to go to places with this book. Timidity brought by old age or editorial intervention?

That epilogue is bad fanfiction.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Phoogle Map
peter
the aging savage


Joined: 25 Aug 2009
Posts: 8144

Thanks: 39
Thanked 52 Times in 51 Posts


36959 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:


PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are widely different views in TLD and on TLC in general Nerdanel, and yours is well represented. I wish I could have found more in Covenant's final act also, but I guess Donaldson wrote the books he felt he had to write.
_________________
http://jhfv.blogspot.co.uk/

....and the glory of the world becomes less than it was....
'Have we not served you well'
'Of course - you know you have.'
'Then let it end.'

We are the Bloodguard
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dlbpharmd
Lord

MaleRanyhyn
Joined: 11 Sep 2003
Posts: 14329

Thanks: 5
Thanked 51 Times in 50 Posts

Location: Jacksboro, TN.
15076 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Member of THOOLAH1 2007 Watcher of the Year1 2007 Watchies


PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's good to see you back, Nerdanel!
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger Phoogle Map
Nerdanel
Wrd's child in disguise


Joined: 24 May 2002
Posts: 770

Thanks: 1
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts


448 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Lord's Staff


PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thing that occurs to me about my first impression is that, with a quality drop like this in something I love, I might be expected to be angry from love betrayed, but instead I'm just kind of disappointed. I find it hard to feel much of anything about this last book. It's strange how the first six books were so emotional, but in TLC most of that went away, and in TLD there aren't even Anele and Esmer to wish death upon. I mean, I think the lack of those two is a good thing and makes the book better, but now there's only blandness left. Even the end that was probably meant to be a joyous return to the old feeling only felt hollow and embarrassingly badly written.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Phoogle Map
ussusimiel
Ghurning

Male
Joined: 31 May 2011
Posts: 5346

Thanks: 69
Thanked 66 Times in 63 Posts

Location: Waterford (milking cows), and sometimes still Dublin, Ireland
8167 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Unfettered1 Member of THOOLAH1 2011 Watchies


PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We had some interesting discussions about this, Nerdanel. For example:
Personally, I had to set the series aside halfway through FR and come back to it a couple of years later with a totally different set of expectations. In the end to finish the LCs I had to treat them as almost completely separate from the 1st & 2nd Chronicles.

Another reason/motivation to finish the series was that I knew that I was going to be meeting SRD at E'fest 2014 and I wanted to be able to look him straight in the eye when I asked him to sign my copies of IW and Gildenfire Laughing (I also got to ask him a question. The answer to which was to reveal that he had written two new fantasy novellas, The Augur's Gambit and The King's Justice, due out this October.)

u.
_________________
Tho' all the maps of blood and flesh
Are posted on the door,
There's no one who has told us yet
What Boogie Street is for.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Zarathustra
Be True


Joined: 04 Jan 2005
Posts: 18112

Thanks: 42
Thanked 186 Times in 178 Posts


27206 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:


PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nerdanel, if you look through the old threads, you'll find you're not alone in being disappointed. I think we all wanted to love this series. It hurts when we can't.

It's probably best that you took a while to finish. Things were pretty tense here for a while after TLD came out. Now you can voice your opinion without fear of being attacked for it.
_________________
Meaning is created internally by each individual in each specific life: any attempt at *meaning* which relies on some kind of external superstructure (God, Satan, the Creator, the Worm, whatever) for its substance misses the point (I mean the point of my story). -SRD

Remain faithful to the earth, my brothers, with the power of your virtue. Let your gift-giving love and your knowledge serve the meaning of the earth ... Do not let them fly away from earthly things and beat with their wings against eternal walls. Alas, there has always been so much virtue that has flown away. Lead back to the earth the virtue that flew away, as I do-back to the body, back to life, that it may give the earth a meaning, a human meaning. -Nietzsche
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Kevin's Watch Forum Index -> The Last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant -> The Last Dark All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
Page 10 of 10

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by Earthpower © Kevin's Watch