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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 11:18 pm    Post subject: I can't help but thinking... Reply with quote

What's the official THOOLAH position on Morn Hyland? I'm actually having a hard time putting up with her in the Gap into vision!
Not reading these at anywhere near the pace of TCTC, I know how interesting it gets though. sneaked a peak at an online synopsis, and am basically bored out of my skull waiting for the Amnion to make an appearance. I was kind of blown away about them and am beginning to see a streak of THOOMHH grow in me!
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 1:26 am    Post subject: I can't help but thinking... Reply with quote

I'm in the midst of a re-read of the Gap series for the first time in years (actually, listening to them on audio books).

Morn is like so many SRD characters; I find it difficult to sit in judgement of her because she has suffered so much - it is hard to imagine how one would react and behave after enduring so much torment.

If comparing Morn to Linden Avery, I would suggest Morn is generally the more decisive character; despite her damaged soul she seems capable of enforcing her decisions through action in a more streamlined manner than Linden.

Linden is definitely the more emotional of the two (you dont find Morn crying over the simple fact that she has friends, for instance).

Morn is more ruthless, manipulative when she has to be.

She's probably not the most compelling character in the Gap series (I find the pov's of Angus, Nick, even Davies and Hashi to be more engaging), but she quickly earned my respect, boardering on awe, for her displays of resilience and resourcefulness.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morn is significantly "tougher" than Linden and considerably less introspective despite suffering more.

It is very interesting, as well, to note that both women have damaged pasts and sons who need to be rescued.

It is also interesting to note that both sons manage to free themselves.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a little late to this thread, but it seems like the gap between posts in the gap thread tends to be quite large, so...

Official position of me, a THOOLAH member, regarding Morn? I think she's a more interesting character than Linden. But I'm not talking about Linden, because it's been too long since I last engaged with TCOTC.

Regarding Morn's role in the story:
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Ultimately, when one compares Morn to, say, the main character of Mordant's need (Teresa?) Morn has, at a few points in the series, a far stronger personality, IMO, literally taking command of an entire ship, captained by seasoned space pirates, and doing a superb job of it, despite having an implant that allows her to be controlled by anyone who has it. She even uses her implant, which is supposed to be used as a tool to enslave her, as an advantage, a weapon against those who seek to control her.

What could be more badass than using a mind control device, implanted in your brain, as a weapon? Lots of things, but it's still awesome!


The above being said, I think that how she is treated towards the beginning of the books is just exceedingly painful to read about. It's almost unbearable, one of the worst things about the gap series is trying to put yourself through the first book if you're in an even remotely emotional mindset and can put yourself in Morn's shoes. Where I was when I read it, I would say literally scarred my brain, and not in a good way. Practically made me a misandrist (sp?? means man hater). I embrace the pain I felt, as a man, seeing a woman, in words, going through slavery, guilt (over killing her own family), and rape. It keeps me tied to reality to remember that what happened to morn is unequivocally evil. But when I reread the gap series, I think I skipped the real story. Why experience that pain again? Well, it might be useful at some point, but not NOW.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:26 am    Post subject: Re: I can't help but thinking... Reply with quote

SleeplessOne wrote:
I'm in the midst of a re-read of the Gap series for the first time in years (actually, listening to them on audio books)

SleeplessOne, I have been doing an internet search for the Gap books on audio. Where did you find them??
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:12 am    Post subject: I can't help but thinking... Reply with quote

think it was on Demonoid, Dragonlily ..
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, SleeplessOne. I checked out the site a bit, and couldn't find a search function -- is there one? I wonder that SRD would authorize a site with this look to handle his masterpieces.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The above being said, I think that how she is treated towards the beginning of the books is just exceedingly painful to read about. It's almost unbearable, one of the worst things about the gap series is trying to put yourself through the first book if you're in an even remotely emotional mindset and can put yourself in Morn's shoes.


That's basically my reaction, too.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had that reaction to REAL STORY the first time through, but once I knew what it was leading to, I have eagerly reread the whole series many times.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRAGONLILY!! What an honor to finally get to speak with you! I have enjoyed a lot of your posts, and especially appreciate your efforts for setting up the threads to the Man Who books! Smile Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Party Time

I've only read the Gap series twice to date, but the second time I got through The Real Story much faster (I still don't care for that first Gap book, except for the illuminating Afterword), because I know the good stuff is coming!

For me, the story picks up my interest quite a bit once we encounter the Amnion midway in book 2. Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel like the Gap universe gets bigger with each book, not only in square parsecs but psychologically. My favorite of SRD's works.

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