Kevin's Watch Forum Index
 HomeHome   MemberlistMemberlist   RegisterRegister   SearchSearch   ProfileProfile   FAQFAQ   StatisticsStatistics  SudokuSudoku   Phoogle MapPhoogle Map 
 AlbumAlbum StoresStores   StoresItems Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

The Chrons and Classic Dramatic Structure.

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Kevin's Watch Forum Index -> The Entire Chronicles
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
peter
the aging savage


Joined: 25 Aug 2009
Posts: 8616

Thanks: 40
Thanked 59 Times in 58 Posts


41989 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:


PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 9:35 am    Post subject: The Chrons and Classic Dramatic Structure. Reply with quote

I'm no expert on Classical Literary Criticism [I know next to nothing in fact] but I do believe that it was Aristotle in his analysis of dramatid structure that said that a work should have a beginning, prior to which no event in the ensuing tale should have any bearing unless it is described in the text; a middle [which speaks for itself I think], and an end after which no question remains unsettled or unanswered.

Clearly things have moved on in the last few thousand years and these rules are by no means hard and fast, nor need to be slavishly adhered to in order to produce a satisfying tale, but nevertheless they remain a good framework for constructing a story. I wondered to what extent the Chrons, taken either individually or indeed as a whole, actually satisfy these criteria; could it be for example that early Donaldson does indeed conform to this classical approach, but in his maturity and with success firmly under his belt, he was less constrained in his approach and less bound to convention - freer if you like to make his audience work for their supper. Any thoughts?
_________________
Washington Post Donald Trump Lie Count; 15413 false or misleading statements in 1055 days as President. No equivalent score for Boris Johnson.

....and the glory of the world becomes less than it was....
'Have we not served you well'
'Of course - you know you have.'
'Then let it end.'

We are the Bloodguard
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
wayfriend
whilom witling

Male
Joined: 21 Apr 2004
Posts: 19562

Thanks: 11
Thanked 237 Times in 218 Posts

Location: The world of the Bowling Green Massacre
46220 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
3 Member of Linden's Army


PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LFB, TIW, TPTP: Beginning, Middle, End.

It's important to provide a setting for your story -- which includes a history and/or a backstory and/or a mythology. This is "world-building", whether it's epic fantasy or dime-store crime novel. The author may presume on common knowledge, or may provide exposition to a lesser or a greater degree. But there is always a setting, and the setting always has a history, and that history always informs events in the story.

All an author can do is decide where to draw the line - on one side is the history of the setting, on the other side is the drama he/she is presenting. This has to be a matter of artistic choice, as there's no rule you could devise which can tell you where to draw that line in every story.

Aristotle, I don't think, considered how much of the stories of his time depended on an a priori shared understanding of current conditions and contemporary events, which were in fact unspoken setting. Which, as a result, quite limited them to 'real world' settings.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
peter
the aging savage


Joined: 25 Aug 2009
Posts: 8616

Thanks: 40
Thanked 59 Times in 58 Posts


41989 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:


PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also perhaps, he was writing in respect of dramatic composition for the stage? Were there prose writings at his time that were fictional and meant solely for reading?
_________________
Washington Post Donald Trump Lie Count; 15413 false or misleading statements in 1055 days as President. No equivalent score for Boris Johnson.

....and the glory of the world becomes less than it was....
'Have we not served you well'
'Of course - you know you have.'
'Then let it end.'

We are the Bloodguard
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
wayfriend
whilom witling

Male
Joined: 21 Apr 2004
Posts: 19562

Thanks: 11
Thanked 237 Times in 218 Posts

Location: The world of the Bowling Green Massacre
46220 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
3 Member of Linden's Army


PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peter wrote:
Also perhaps, he was writing in respect of dramatic composition for the stage?

Good point. A stage work doesn't tolerate easily any explanation of earlier events, except briefly. Hence, the chorus.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Kevin's Watch Forum Index -> The Entire Chronicles All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by Earthpower © Kevin's Watch