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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yet in time a kind of understanding came to the Ho-aru and Nimishi. They saw that they fought a feud they could not win. First, the clans were too evenly matched for one side to retain for long any brief ascendance. And second, even victory offered no solution to the need, for a victorious family would quickly grow in size until it was as large as two; and then the lack of food and warmth and shelter would kill as before. So the leaders of the clans met and formed the Bond. Enmity was set aside, and hands were joined. From that time onward, Ho-aru and Nimishi warred together against their common need.


This is one of the things about GF that makes it fun for me to read. I really enjoy that we get more backstory to the Haruchai.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reave the Unjust wrote:
I just re-read The Illearth War with Gilden Fire "inserted" between chapters 8 & 9 and found it to not be so much of a departure from the main story. ..At one point it was very obvious that it didn't quite fit however:
In GF the mission encounter resistance in Grimmerdhore, but of his return journey Runnik says,
"....when we entered Grimmerdhore, we were beset by wolves and Ur-viles, though we saw no sign of them when we passed eastward."


The last time I read TIW, in 2012, I inserted the reading of Gilden-Fire between the chapters "'Lord Kevin's Lament'" and "Glimmermere", and later just ignored the sentence in Runnik's Tale" about not encountering trouble in Grimmerdhore Forest, as Reeve the Unjust suggested, and thought it fit rather well that way.

Because I was re-reading both The Illearth War and Gilden-Fire when combining GF as a TIW insert, I really didn't find the point of view change jarring (no more than the change of POV from Covenant to Troy, anyway), but perhaps I would have the first time if it had been inserted that way into the story, as I was already impatient with Covenant for refusing to fight for such good people and such a wonderful place as the Land. Only the possibility that he may have been dreaming it all up and thus surrendering his self-protective discipline kept me from being disgusted with him and given up on reading further. Which would have been a shame, as I'd have missed out on a lot of good stuff, I now know.

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NOW, it doesn't matter to me about the POV change to Korik in GF, because I know Covenant decides in TPTP and the books that follow that it's important to fight for what he values about the world of the Land, whether it's real or not. But on the first read of TIW, I was having a hard enough time sympathizing with Covenant once the viewpoint changed to Troy, which signaled that Covenanat was being irrationally stubborn (how could TC possibly dream the world form Hile Troy's point of view?).
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does anyone think there's any discrepancy between the history of the Haruchai in this book and that in Fatal Revenant?


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"Their need sent them eastward, out of the Westron Mountains, intending to conquer by might of fist the forms of sustenance their home did not provide, so that their wives and children would live."--from GF


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There's a discrepancy between what is said here and what is stated in Fatal Revenant, to be sure. I resolve this discrepancy by imagining the Harachai first went westward from their mountain territory to the fertile plains of the Insequent, got humiliated by the Vizard, then later turned east towards the Land and met Kevin. That's what works for me, anyway. I realize that GF is considered non-canonical, but have this desire to resolve contradiction, all the same.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However, the food seemed to meet his [Hyrim's] needs. Soon he recovered enough cheerfulness to groan, "Sister Shetra, you are not a good cook."
When she made no reply, he stretched himself on his back by the fire, sighing plaintively, "Ah, agony!" For a time, he stared at the way the flames danced without consuming along the special wood of the lillianrill. Then he turned his face to the sky and said gruffly, "Friends, I had bethought me of fit revenge against those who gave to me this unendurable ride. Since noon, I have been full of dire promises--in place of food, I think. But now I am contrite. The fault is mine alone. I have been a fat thistle-brained fool from the moment the thought of the Loresraat and Lordship entered my head. Ah, what business had I to dream of Lords and Giants, of lore and bold undertakings? Better had I been punished severely and sent to tend sheep for the rest of my days, rather than permitted to follow mad fancies. But Hoole Gren-mate my father was a kind man, slow to chastise. Alas, his memory is poorly honored in my thick self. Were he to see me now, thus reduced to raw quivering flesh and strengthless bones by one single day astride the honor of a Ranyhyn, he would have shed great fat tears as a reproach to my overfed resourcelessness."


This is yet another reason why I'm glad Gilden-Fire got published. I've always liked Lord Hyrim. And here we get to see more of his endearing self-effacing personality. His lack of physical fitness may make him seem more foolish for coming along on such a dangerous quest, but it also makes him look that much more courageous. Besides Mhoram Variol-son, Hyrim son of Hoole is my favorite character from The Illearth War.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forests have always held an entrancing fascination for me, with their ancient dignity and loveliness. And, of course, forests in the Land have that added quality of being sentient and being in opposition to Ravers and other evil beings. We get to visit Morinmoss Forest & Garroting Deep a time or two, and even visit Giant Woods in a brief flashback scene in WGW.

A pet peeve of mine with maps of fantasy worlds is when one of the details that's drawn on a map never gets visited in the attached story for which the map was made.

And that's one more thing about Gilden-Fire : it's the only part in all of Donaldson's writings about the Land where we get to visit Grimmerdhore Forest.

(Okay, I think I should give this thread a rest, for a while) Chill
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're doing great, Cord Hurn! Nice to see the enthusiasm for one of the best parts of the Chrons.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fist and Faith wrote:
You're doing great, Cord Hurn! Nice to see the enthusiasm for one of the best parts of the Chrons.


I appreciate that, Fist and Faith! I've enjoyed your posts on the watch, and have always enjoyed reading Gilden-Fire!

It's fun to talk about it, and to remember.

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And that's one more thing about Gilden-Fire : it's the only part in all of Donaldson's writings about the Land where we get to visit Grimmerdhore Forest.


I enjoyed that visit; I could easily imagine being in that sleepy magic forest.

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The air around them was thick and deep, almost audibly underlined with slumber; and it shifted faintly through the dim, mottled shadows like an uneasy rest, disturbed by dreams of damage and blood repayment. It smelled so heavily of moss and damp moldering soil and rot and growth that it was hard to breathe; it seemed to resist the lungs of the riders. And the crowded branches blocked out most of the sunlight; between occasional bright swaths of filtered lamination the trees seemed to brood in gloom, contemplating death.

But the quiet of Grimmerdhore was not as impenetrable as it had first appeared. From time to time, strange hoarse birds screeched forlornly. Black squirrels raced overhead. And frequently the Bloodguard heard frightened animals scuttling sway from the company through the underbrush.

Still, the way became easier. The woods spread out within the perimeter of the brambles. The path broadened as if the trees were guarding it less closely; and animal trails wove back and forth around it. As a result, the company was able to resume its formation, with the Lords and Korik riding on the path and the other Bloodguard moving through the trees around them. Here the Ranyhyn went more quickly, almost at a trot; and the company moved straight in toward the heart of Grimmerdhore.
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He had no answer for Lord Shetra's dour dismay--though he had paid for centuries the cost of the yearning between an man and a woman--and so he stood aloof from it. He had no hand in the unvoiced fear which caused Lord Hyrim to ask Thomas Covenant's company in defiance of the High Lord's wishes; therefore he made no effort to sway or deny the Unbeliever. And he fended away all questions which ranged beyond the ambit of his certainty. Fist and faith. Succeed or die. Aided by the native flatness of his features, he bore himself as if he possessed no emotions which might be touched.

Yet he grieved for Shetra and respected Hyrim. He judged the Unbeliever coldly. And the arrival of the Ranyhyn, seventeen of the great horses of Ra with their starred foreheads and their strange responsive fidelity, thundering forward in the first hint of day in answer to his call--that pride and beauty was a hymn in his heart. He was Haruchai and Bloodguard. His people had shown in their Vow how extremely they could be touched.



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After a while, Korik asked Cerrin:
--Will her [Lord Shetra's] concern for Lord Verement weaken her?
--No, Cerrin replied flatly. She will fight for both.

Korik understood this assertion and accepted it. But he did not like it. It carried echoes of other losses and griefs--deprivations and hollow places which the Haruchai had not taken into account during their sole night of extravagance. Dourly, he posted his comrades in a wide circle around the camp. Then he stood with his arms folded on his chest, gazed warily out over the grasslands and the star-path of the moon, recited his Vow through the long watch. He could not forget any detail of the last night he had spent with his wife, whose bones were already ancient in the frozen fastness of her grave. The Vow sustained him, but it was not warm.


I wanted to say how I found passages like these in Gilden-Fire tremendously effective in reminding us that the apparent stoicism of the Haruchai is a result of their iron discipline, not in a dearth of inner passion. Beneath their rigid exteriors, their passion is almost unfathomably deep. Yet another reason I am grateful that Gilden-Fire got published, to remind us of this.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just got my copy! Ive read it before, years ago, from the library. But I recently started a TC read through and it's EXCELLENT.
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Just got my copy! Ive read it before, years ago, from the library. But I recently started a TC read through and it's EXCELLENT.


Yes!!! Cool I've found reading it in between TIW Chapters 8 and 9 definitely enhances my enjoyment of the First Chronicles. Reading Very Happy Korik, Shetra, and Hyrim are truly great characters.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG Korik is amazing! And it really delves deeper into the haruchai which I appreciate more now that the 'final' chrons are out. Re-reading the series as an adult has reaaaaaly improved some moments as well, things stand out I didnt notice before. Of course it helps having read them like a dozen times, I can reference moments in the future that maybe SRD wasn't thinking of at the time...

It didnt come in the mail until after I'd read Tull Story, so...that was sad. Crying or Very sad I forgot how short Lord Hyrim's parts are, but he really stuck with me as a kid.
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