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do you own a gun?
no, I do not and never will own a gun
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I do not own a gun now, but have no problem getting one in the future
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yes, I do own a gun, and maybe more than one
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would think so -- but not if the Texas law (or another like it) is found to be unconstitutional, which is what the 9th Circuit said. Then the issue ought to get booted to the Supremes. Which is what I expect will happen here directly.


No, this ruling is about a California case and had nothing to do with Texas whatsoever.

Right -- Texas is in the Fifth Circuit. (I admit I didn't know that off the top of my head. Laughing ) What you said was if Texas allows concealed carry, then a Texan with a permit should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon in any other state -- which isn't true. Local law takes precedence. As it did in the case of gay marriage, which is why supporters of gay marriage pushed so hard to make it the law of the land; same-sex spouses were getting married in one state, moving for work or whatever, and finding they weren't afforded spousal rights in their new state.

I think I read the 9th Circuit decision doesn't even apply to all the states in its jurisdiction, because only California and Hawaii, I think, have the law in question on their books.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I've mentioned before, all carry here has to be concealed. Which suits me fine. I don't want people to know I'm armed.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Right -- Texas is in the Fifth Circuit. (I admit I didn't know that off the top of my head. Laughing ) What you said was if Texas allows concealed carry, then a Texan with a permit should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon in any other state -- which isn't true. Local law takes precedence. As it did in the case of gay marriage, which is why supporters of gay marriage pushed so hard to make it the law of the land; same-sex spouses were getting married in one state, moving for work or whatever, and finding they weren't afforded spousal rights in their new state.

I think I read the 9th Circuit decision doesn't even apply to all the states in its jurisdiction, because only California and Hawaii, I think, have the law in question on their books.


I wouldn't have known that fact about the circuit court jurisdictions, either.

I was making the case that infringements of people's rights--spousal rights--were being infringed because State A didn't recognize the status granted by State B; therefore, a similar series of events should happen for concealed or open carry licenses. I can conceal carry here but I move to New York and now all of a sudden my rights are being infringed? No, New York has to honor my Texas license because of full faith.

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Seems logical to me.

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Despite the initial uproar over the issue, in the full calendar year since it became legal to carry guns onto university campuses in Texas there has been no discernible increase in gun-related incidents or intimidation on said campuses. The law now also applies to two-year campuses, as well, even though schools may still designate individual buildings or areas as "gun free" zones.

When violence breaks out between people it usually isn't because of guns.

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Although they do raise the stakes considerably when involved.

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