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do you own a gun?
no, I do not and never will own a gun
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I do not own a gun now, but have no problem getting one in the future
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yes, I do own a gun, and maybe more than one
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would think so -- but not if the Texas law (or another like it) is found to be unconstitutional, which is what the 9th Circuit said. Then the issue ought to get booted to the Supremes. Which is what I expect will happen here directly.


No, this ruling is about a California case and had nothing to do with Texas whatsoever.

Right -- Texas is in the Fifth Circuit. (I admit I didn't know that off the top of my head. Laughing ) What you said was if Texas allows concealed carry, then a Texan with a permit should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon in any other state -- which isn't true. Local law takes precedence. As it did in the case of gay marriage, which is why supporters of gay marriage pushed so hard to make it the law of the land; same-sex spouses were getting married in one state, moving for work or whatever, and finding they weren't afforded spousal rights in their new state.

I think I read the 9th Circuit decision doesn't even apply to all the states in its jurisdiction, because only California and Hawaii, I think, have the law in question on their books.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I've mentioned before, all carry here has to be concealed. Which suits me fine. I don't want people to know I'm armed.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Right -- Texas is in the Fifth Circuit. (I admit I didn't know that off the top of my head. Laughing ) What you said was if Texas allows concealed carry, then a Texan with a permit should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon in any other state -- which isn't true. Local law takes precedence. As it did in the case of gay marriage, which is why supporters of gay marriage pushed so hard to make it the law of the land; same-sex spouses were getting married in one state, moving for work or whatever, and finding they weren't afforded spousal rights in their new state.

I think I read the 9th Circuit decision doesn't even apply to all the states in its jurisdiction, because only California and Hawaii, I think, have the law in question on their books.


I wouldn't have known that fact about the circuit court jurisdictions, either.

I was making the case that infringements of people's rights--spousal rights--were being infringed because State A didn't recognize the status granted by State B; therefore, a similar series of events should happen for concealed or open carry licenses. I can conceal carry here but I move to New York and now all of a sudden my rights are being infringed? No, New York has to honor my Texas license because of full faith.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems logical to me.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Despite the initial uproar over the issue, in the full calendar year since it became legal to carry guns onto university campuses in Texas there has been no discernible increase in gun-related incidents or intimidation on said campuses. The law now also applies to two-year campuses, as well, even though schools may still designate individual buildings or areas as "gun free" zones.

When violence breaks out between people it usually isn't because of guns.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although they do raise the stakes considerably when involved.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm, stumbled across this today. Wasn't sure where to put it, but guess this thread will do.

Assuming the accuracy of the numbers, seems relatively conclusive to me.

Lack Of Correlation Between Gun Ownership & Homicide

The real issue appears to be the one of suicide, which as mentioned elsewhere is a mental health problem, not a gun control one.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you take your life with one .. then its a gun statistic .. at least according to the CDC 😏

Access to firearms is not only a factor in suicide but also accidental deaths and injuries 😕. And I guess stupidity is another factor .. 🤷‍♀️

Though I do see what youve done here 😎...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One should never put suicide statistics into general "gun violence" studies, because "violence" presumes "person A acting violently against person B" and that does not happen with suicide. "More guns" or "more available guns" simply does not translate into "more gun violence"; it never has and it never will.

I keep looking for stories about gun-related violence at Texas university campuses--believe me, if such a story happened the Texas Tribune would be all over it--and there simply aren't any. People can conceal carry on campus and...nothing happened.

Imagine that.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

School shootings are rare.

Sky has conveniently ignored Australia's similar suicide statistics, and they don't have the guns we do.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree that lack of guns doesn't affect the suicide rate. The country with the highest suicide rate in the world has one of the lowest gun ownership rates. (Sri Lanka)

In terms of US and comparable firearm suicides, I suspect it comes down to cultural mores. I always think of the story in the Chrons about the guy who killed himself by cutting his wrists...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One should never put suicide statistics into general "gun violence" studies, because "violence" presumes "person A acting violently against person B" and that does not happen with suicide. "More guns" or "more available guns" simply does not translate into "more gun violence"; it never has and it never will.

I keep looking for stories about gun-related violence at Texas university campuses--believe me, if such a story happened the Texas Tribune would be all over it--and there simply aren't any. People can conceal carry on campus and...nothing happened.

Imagine that.


We always start like this ... these are statistics demonstrating death by gunshot or firearms related death ..per the CDC, then are broken into subcategories, homicide, suicide, accidental shootings etc.
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Yes suicide by hanging, slitting wrists, gunshot, suffocation, overdose .. yep many many options.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always cite gun deaths due to criminal action or accident as completely separate from gun death due to suicide for two reasons: 1) suicide is not really "violence" per se, since only one person is involved and 2) it helps to keep the stigma of criminality away from suicide.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I always cite gun deaths due to criminal action or accident as completely separate from gun death due to suicide for two reasons: 1) suicide is not really "violence" per se, since only one person is involved and 2) it helps to keep the stigma of criminality away from suicide.
Good point. I also believe that people have the right to end their lives as they see fit, so I don't see suicide as a "problem", per se.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, pretty much agreed. And as mentioned earlier, to the extent that it is a problem, it's one for mental health care rather than anything else.

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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firearms manufacturers pull all guns from Dicks Sporting Goods

This seems self defeating. It would be like a steak house boycotting beef.


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Several major gun manufacturers said they were severing ties with Dicks Sporting Goods in response to the company's February announcement it would no longer sell assault-style weapons due to the deadly Parkland school shooting.

O.F. Mossberg & Sons Inc., the parent company of Mossberg guns, announced Wednesday they would no longer be doing business with the sports retailer. Mossberg & Sons ended its association with Dick's after Dicks hired three Washington, D.C., lobbyists to push for gun control efforts,

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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dicks is trying to court the Millennial crowd--it wants to be hip and trendy rather than sell sporting goods/outdoor products like guns.

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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The manufacturers are manipulating Dicks. Just because Dicks said they would no longer sell semiautomatic rifles.

Its low handed blow .. dirty dealing but what else would you expect 🤷‍♀️
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Since the Obama left office and was replaced by an NRA supporter, firearms manufacturers have had a down market. I think there has been a slight surge since the Florida shooting, but it's not like the old days when they didn't have to do much marketing. Having a "gun grabber" in office did that for them. The company probably didn't sell that much through Dick's anyway and figured that they could more than make up for the loss by standing out to 2A supporters in a crowded market as being virtuous on the issue.
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