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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possibly so Murrin, but this seemed to go somehow further than that. I don't know, but in the context of this program there was something intangibley sinister about it.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, eventually we will be able to produce things so cheaply that there will be no need to buy and sell things and everybody will have whatever they need. Still a pretty long way off though.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know - it's had to put your finger on where the problem is, but there's something just not right about the bulk of humanity being kept almost like domestic pets, fed and housed at no cost to themselves, non-productive in a world where a distant elite do all of the providing, but have no reason to maintain a sustained interest in their resource expensive charges. Actually - it isn't hard to put your finger on the problem ........ that's just it! Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just think of Iain M Bank's Culture books. The "distant elite" is the AI. The "Minds." They take care of everything, and humans are free to just do whatever they want. sounds good to me. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmmm........ Ok - I'm beginning to warm to it Av, now you put it like that! Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing You ever read any of those? Damn good books.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He did a book called The Wasp Factory (iirc) that always struck me from the blurb that it would be incredibly dark. I'm afraid it kind of put me off, and although he is an author I've always been aware off, I've yet to overcome that initial stumbling block. My loss it sounds! Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So The Wasp Factory (and The Crow Road) and several others were written under the name Iain (no middle initial) Banks, and those are contemporary fiction.

The ones written under Iain M Banks are all sci-fi books, most (but not all) of which are set in and around a massively advanced civilisation called "the Culture."

Really can't recommend them enough. The first Culture book is Consider Phlebas.

Do yourself a favour. (Check out this post for a list of the names of the Culture ships, each one a sentient AI mind.)

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There seems err, ........ rather a lot of them Av - would I need a permanent glossary at my side in order to follow them; I am notoriously bad at carrying multiple characters in my head unless the characterisation makes them highly identifiable. (Oddly, Game of Thrones was a book that pulled this off without difficulty; there were a dozen or so introduced in the first few pages and I never once lost track of who was who.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not at all. Very Happy That's a very exhaustive list, most books only have a few of them in, and it's easy to keep straight.

I was sharing it simply because of how wonderful some of those names are. (All the minds choose their own ship names.)

In fact, the cast in each book (human and otherwise) is generally pretty small.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just think of Iain M Bank's Culture books. The "distant elite" is the AI. The "Minds." They take care of everything, and humans are free to just do whatever they want. sounds good to me. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the day my laptop gets up at 4.30, goes to work standing in the shop serving the punters for nine hours for me and then has the wages paid into my account - that day I'll say it's a good thing - until then I'll reserve judgement.......

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So The Wasp Factory (and The Crow Road) and several others were written under the name Iain (no middle initial) Banks, and those are contemporary fiction.

The ones written under Iain M Banks are all sci-fi books, most (but not all) of which are set in and around a massively advanced civilisation called "the Culture."



I never realized they were the same person. And that's the sort of thing I should have known - I used to work at a bookstore.
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Only reason I know is because the books have his other works listed in them. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't know - it's had to put your finger on where the problem is, but there's something just not right about the bulk of humanity being kept almost like domestic pets, fed and housed at no cost to themselves, non-productive in a world where a distant elite do all of the providing, but have no reason to maintain a sustained interest in their resource expensive charges. Actually - it isn't hard to put your finger on the problem ........ that's just it! Wink


Clearly coming in cold to this topic - so apologies ... but what world is this where people exist like domestic pets and are housed and fed at no cost to them! Cos I want to go to there! LOL

Is it this world? Or a fantasy work, book etc? Maybe that's it 😊

The world I live in, I'm small fry and definitely not "the elite" and I've had to work for everything I want in life. I know few who haven't, worked for what they have.
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