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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mike Pence looks like he's ready to pounce on the presidency [Opinion]

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… With the administration buckling under daily accusations and investigations, Pence is acting like a man ready to move on up to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

The New York Times recently reported that Pence is chatting with deep-pocketed money men like Charles Koch, and hosting dinners with his wife, Karen, for wealthy donors at the vice president's mansion. In May, Pence launched his own PAC, the "Great America Committee." While its name echoes Trump's campaign slogan, no previous sitting vice president has ever formed such a separate political organization. An unnamed Pence surrogate told NBC News that any chatter that the PAC is meant to bolster the veep's 2020 plans is misguided. …

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't blame him for wanting to look out for himself and his future political options. This is the time for him to tread carefully, though--Trump has a reputation for being vicious to those he feels are disloyal and looking to the future might be seen as disloyalty.

Also, it is highly unusual for a sitting Vice President to try and go for a Presidential bid when their boss still has another term they might be able to serve. Yes, there are plenty of Republicans who would much rather see Pence in office than Trump but many others will still opt for closing ranks and presenting a unified front in order to oppose the Democrats. The number one uncertainty is whether Trump will try to run again but I suspect he will. If he doesn't get the nomination then Pence probably will and breaking ranks will Trump will score him votes with the "never Trump" crowd in the Republican Party.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't want to see Pence in the job either...way too fundamentalist Christian right for my taste... Not to mention his penchant for censorship and stuff like that...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wouldn't want to see Pence in the job either...way too fundamentalist Christian right for my taste... Not to mention his penchant for censorship and stuff like that...

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe a little. Very Happy

Would depend though on the track record of whoever it was in terms of expressing their religion through policy.

I don't care what somebody believes. I only care if those beliefs translate into imposing religious strictures on people who don't share them.

(Not that anybody who wasn't ostensibly Christian would have a hope in hell of even getting close to the presidency.)

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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WASHINGTON - News from the Christian Broadcasting Network that members of President Trump's Cabinet are attending Bible study sessions together didn't come as such a shock in Washington.

The shock was who is teaching them.

That teacher, Pastor Ralph Drollinger, is well known to some members in the California congressional delegation. He is the evangelical spiritual leader who once counseled a group of Sacramento lawmakers that female politicians with young children have no business serving in the Legislature. In fact, he called them sinners.

Drollinger also declared that Roman Catholicism "is one of the primary false religions in the world" — precipitating his Bible study group's move out of a suite of offices controlled by then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Catholic.

But it was the remark about female politicians, made in a written Bible lesson distributed to his study group in 2004, that stoked the most controversy.

"It is one thing for a mother to work out of her home while her children are in school," wrote Drollinger, a Californian who created a group called Capitol Ministries to teach evangelical interpretations of the Bible to politicians. "It is quite another matter to have children in the home and live away in Sacramento for four days a week. Whereas the former could be in keeping with the spirit of Proverbs 31, the latter is sinful." …


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Leader Of Trump Cabinet Bible Study: God Only Hears Prayers Of 'Righteous' Christians

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CBN reported in April that Drollinger started working during the transition to set up White House Bible studies, noting that "sponsors include Vice President Pence …

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This past April, Brendan O'Connor at Fusion published an in-depth look at Drollinger and his Capitol Ministries. O'Connor reported that Drollinger had proclaimed Catholicism to be "the world's largest false religion" and "that female legislators who continue working after having children are sinners, and that homosexuality is an 'abomination.'" A bit more:

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He has also written that social welfare programs are un-Christian. "It is safe to say that God is a Capitalist," Drollinger once wrote, "not a Communist." In a January radio interview, Drollinger praised then-senator Jeff Sessions, who "hungers and thirsts for the Scripture," for his performance during his confirmation hearing, when he provided a Biblical justification for his draconian views on immigration. "I've had the distinct honor of teaching him on this subject, and many others," Drollinger said. "There's nothing more exciting, when you're a Bible teacher, to see one of the guys you're working with—to see him or her articulate something you've taught them when they're under the gun." …

Drollinger also argues that climate change is impossible because God promised after The Flood never to do anything like that again. Drollinger preaches against "radical environmentalism" and that to believe that human activity could have devastating impact on the environment is not just mistaken, but the result of godless pride: "To think that man can alter the earth's ecosystem-when God remains omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent in the current affairs of mankind-is to more than subtly espouse an ultra-hubristic, secular worldview relative to the supremacy and importance of man," Drollinger wrote recently. "It follows that we can all rest assured and wholly rely on God's aforementioned promises pertaining to His ability and willingness to sustain our world's ecosystem."

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ralph Drollinger should have stay at playing pee-wee basketball.
At 7' 2" I would punch him in the knee caps if he was around. Razz
Gee that what we need.. another mail order loudm .. err preacher...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds just up Pence's street huh? Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drollinger can go fuck himself. People like him give Christianity a bad name.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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'God has given Trump authority to take out Kim Jong Un,' evangelical adviser says

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Texas megachurch pastor Robert Jeffress, one of President Trump's evangelical advisers who preached the morning of his inauguration, has released a statement saying the president has the moral authority to "take out" North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

"When it comes to how we should deal with evildoers, the Bible, in the book of Romans, is very clear: God has endowed rulers full power to use whatever means necessary - including war - to stop evil," Jeffress said. "In the case of North Korea, God has given Trump authority to take out Kim Jong Un."

Jeffress said in a phone interview that he was prompted to make the statement after Trump said that if North Korea's threats to the United States continue, Pyongyang will be "met with fire and fury like the world has never seen."

The biblical passage Romans 13 gives the government authority to deal with evildoers, Jeffress said. "That gives the government … the authority to do whatever, whether it's assassination, capital punishment or evil punishment to quell the actions of evildoers like Kim Jong Un," he said.

He said that many pacifist Christians will cite Romans 12, which says, "Do not repay evil for evil," but Jeffress says that the passage is referring to Christians, not to the government.

"A Christian writer asked me, 'Don't you want the president to embody the Sermon on the Mount?'" he said, referring to Jesus's sermon. "I said absolutely not." …

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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'God has given Trump authority to take out Kim Jong Un,' evangelical adviser says


Cut out the middlemen and let God take him out...
I bet God can do it in a niffy way.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, Jong Un is a ruler too...and he perceives Trump as evil...does that mean he has that moral authority as well?

(That's the problem when you bring morals into it... Very Happy )

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