States Petitioning for Secession

Hashi Lebwohl · Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:06 am Post subject:

If at first you do not succeed, try again, try again, and try again for a third time. This will be their third attempt to get a resolution onto the California ballot, this time aiming to prompt California to begin a Constitutional Convention to rewrite the entire Constitution and make certain that States are given the right to leave the United States if they so desire.

You have seen those bratty children in grocery stores or malls. You know the ones I mean--the ones who throw a tantrum until they get what they want or, failing that, make certain that everyone around them is miserable. This is how I view the CalExit folks--"wah! we can't get our way so we want to take our marbles and go home! wah!".

The first thing that would happen if California did manage to secede is that Democrats would never win a Presidential election again--when 270 is needed to win losing 55 is an insurmountable obstacle. Of course, the number wouldn't be 270 any more but 215...still, all those blue votes lost would kill the Democrat Party.

I would actually donate time and money to help them leave, if that is what they really want. I would merely be doing be neighborly duty, after all.
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Avatar · Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:50 am Post subject:

Not gonna happen anyway. Pipe dreams is all.

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Hashi Lebwohl · Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:00 pm Post subject:

They are at it again--there is another CalExit ballot proposal which has been approved by the State so they are out collecting signatures, hoping to get onto the ballot.

After reconsidering for a while, I totally support California seceding from the United States. Good riddance and don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out. This would prompt a mass exit--other lesser blue States would secede with California, meaning they could form their own new nation which I will enjoy watching self-implode as they tax their citizens into oblivion.

Failing that, I also support California breaking into multiple States as this will end the automatic 55 Electoral Votes that Democrats currently enjoy.
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Vraith · Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:56 pm Post subject:

Zarathustra · Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:51 pm Post subject:

Vraith · Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:27 pm Post subject:

Cail · Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:07 am Post subject:

Zarathustra · Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:20 am Post subject:

I read a few articles on the issue. I'm not really up on Texas politics. I see that a court ruled that their redistricting was intentionally racist. But the reasoning seems to follow the typical bizarro-world opposite thinking that the Left has about race. In my opinion, drawing up district lines along racial lines would be racist, but the Republicans did the opposite of this. Because of a growth in Hispanic numbers, Dems want new Hispanic districts added, places where they would be the majority and can vote in representatives who share their skin tone and/or culture. (Dems just assume rather condescendingly that people only vote for their own color??) But in order to do this, you have to use race as the criteria for drawing up the district boundaries. Reps didn't draw up the boundaries with the specific Dem objective of making Dem voters more powerful, so of course the Dems are bitching about it, and throwing around the charge of "racism" like usual ... even though they are the ones thinking in terms of race.
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Cail · Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:04 pm Post subject:

What Vraith fails to mention is another SCOTUS case in which Maryland Democrats redistricted the state, particularly the 6th District, to ensure that no Republicans would be elected. These districts were also drawn with race in mind.

My district (the 6th) was very conservative, and had a Republican representative. The governor himself (O'Malley) publically stated that the legislature needed to re-draw that district so that he'd have another state Democrat in Congress. So that's exactly what they did.

Edited to add - Not much would make me happier than seeing California and Texas split up. That would be a great catalyst to breaking the country up.
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Skyweir · Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:17 pm Post subject:

Just need to look at Al Green, Pete Sessions and Steve Alford

.. there a link to I think what V is referring to

http://www.governing.com/topics/politics/tns-texas-supreme-court-gerrymandering-redistricting.html
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Vraith · Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:31 pm Post subject:

Cail · Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:39 pm Post subject:

Hashi Lebwohl · Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:02 pm Post subject:

I told you (elsewhere) that Cail doesn't like Texas.

re: Texas secessionists....they aren't nearly as numerous as they used to be and any such efforts have never been more than some fringe group's pipe dream. The California secessionists are real and the California splitters are gathering signatures for State ballots right now (they want to split into 3 States).

California hasn't voted Republican since Reagan while Texas used to be solidly Democratic for decades (from 1874 until 1979 the Governor's Office had been occupied by a Democrat). I can't speak for California but I can tell you what--who--turned Texas Republican: Bill Clinton. NAFTA was a bad deal for us, he closed lots of military bases, and Mt. Carmel in Waco is the poster child example for Janet Reno's out-of-control DoJ during her tenure as Attorney General during Clinton's Administration.

If Republicans in the Texas Legislature--two Members of which I know *personally*--were so racist that they set about gerrymandering districts to water down non-white votes, then why were there at least two Congressional districts in the Rio Grande valley who had no Republicans whatsoever cast a vote in the most recent set of primaries? Wouldn't they have redrawn *all* the districts under the auspice of racial bias?

"Racist" is a meaningless term people apply these days in an attempt to smear something with which they disagree.

re: the SCOTUS case...of course Sotomayor doesn't want the Court to rule on the case--she knows that the ruling will not be one with which she agrees and once the Court issues a ruling the matter is settled.

Bottom line: Democrats in Texas don't want the maps redrawn based on their ideas. No, the *real* goal of the lawsuits is to try and force the situation where the DoJ or a Federal Court gets to approve (or pre-clear, as the case may be) district lines being redrawn. This takes the final choice out of the hands of Republicans. It isn't a case of the Democrats wanting a victory; rather, it is a case of them wanting to prevent the Republicans from having a victory. For Democrats, that is enough.

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Skyweir · Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:56 am Post subject:

On your racist term comment .. it may well be your opinion that the term is being misused to curry a bias

Which yeah .. the term implies bias .. based a persons or a class of persons race .. 🤷‍♀️ but leaving that little Captain Obvious comment to one side .. cos yeah we all should get that.

This is exactly how a concept like racial discrimination is watered down and discriminatory behaviour becomes permissible in societies ..

Yes I get your point that some allegations of racial discrimination may be a manipulation of a set of circumstances for a benefit of one kind or another ..

Racisim however is demonstrable .. like any other term that has legal implications.
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SkurjMaster · Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:02 am Post subject: Calexit

Let California secede. Watch people from south of the border invade it. Watch them overthrow their political-elite overlords. Then the U.S. can invade it, kick out the illegal immigrants, the likes of Brown and the other 'know-better-than-you' types, and re-integrate it into the union.

Problem solved.

Skyweir · Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:17 am Post subject:

👍 alrighty

Why the fuck not 🤷‍♀️ right 🤷‍♀️ Its all kinda ludicrous anyhoo
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Hashi Lebwohl · Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:46 pm Post subject:

The discussion is all moot, in any event. Neither the secession nor "Cali-split" options are going to pass, which means that their supporters will simply keep trying again in two years.

How many failures at the ballot box must a proposition receive before people quit trying it?
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Vraith · Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:09 pm Post subject:

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Skyweir · Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:41 pm Post subject:

No .. dont let Cail decide what you post or how .. fuck that .. we need your voice .. its an opinion board .. lol ..

And lets be brutally honest .. most links are cherry picked .. I have read a bunch and have found equal number that argue the opposite 🤷‍♀️

I value a variety of opinions not just threads designed to support only one line of thought. Lets kick some conservative uptight ass ..

I can guarantee they dont want that .. lol .. a balanced set of posts LOL 😂
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Cail · Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:19 pm Post subject: