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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It has been more than 16 years since 2001 and the families of victims are still pushing to try and sue Saudi Arabia in court. This time, though, it appears they have managed to scrape up a little more evidence, this time linking money from the Saudi Embassy in Washington, D. C. to a "dry run" of 9-11 which was apparently carried out back in 1999.

Recall that 15 of the 19 hijackers, including the ringleader, were all Saudi nationals.


So you're bin Ladin, and you plan to do something really spectacular in the US. Do you recruit a bunch of Germans to do this, or some Brits? Or do you find some people who think similarly to you, people who are also Arab, preferably Saudi's.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doubt it will ever happen...too many potential doors it could open in terms of precedent...

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to mention that the US would not want to be sued or specifically drawn into cases of being sued. We would never get anything else done!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand that some of the 9--11 families probably still haven't attained closure but I agree--if they manage to sue Saudi Arabia that will set a precedent which could open up the United States Federal Government for similar lawsuits. Given the "mostly an ally" status we have towards SA I highly doubt any sort of lawsuit will ever actually occur.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is taking more steps to collect political power into his own hands as well as do some political housecleaning by charging other royals and various businesspeople with "corruption". This is always a great charge to file against opponents because it could mean anything you need it to mean; also, that sort of charge is as difficult to prove as it is to defend against. Still, getting a conviction is not the goal; instead, the goal is to put it into the mind of the citizens that such-and-such is "corrupt" and must therefore be removed from power and/or run out of the country in disgrace.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've been telling us for years how corrupt the leaders of SA are. Now one of them agrees with you and is acting to change it ... and he's corrupt, too? Do you have evidence?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would it be difficult to prove? Corrupt activities leave evidence too in many, if not most, cases.

Of course that's not to say that it can't be a convenient cover charge, especially if it did originate from somebody who is themselves corrupt, but that's how politics (and corruption) works. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You've been telling us for years how corrupt the leaders of SA are. Now one of them agrees with you and is acting to change it ... and he's corrupt, too? Do you have evidence?


I am merely repeating the news as it is being reported here.

Evidence? There is no evidence here. The charge of "corruption" is undefined enough that it can mean anything but in this case it means "such-and-such is a potential political opponent".

I don't think this crown prince is any better than the rest of them. He has the favor of the king, which is why he is able to get away with this consolidation of power. Once he has successfully gotten rid of any of his potential rivals or opponents he will start running the country for his own personal benefit. Instead of corrupt government A they will now have corrupt government B. He isn't going to be pro-West, he isn't going to modernize parts of Saudi society (okay, he supports women driving...but I'll bet he doesn't support women running the government), and he is still going to focus on squeezing value out of Saudi natural resources.

Yes, I still think Saudi Arabia directs the entire Middle East because they control the heart of Islam.

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