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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:42 pm    Post subject: Star Trek: Discovery Reply with quote



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Discovery

After ultimately being burned by Star Trek: Enterprise (started off pretty good then got crushed by a misguided an extended time travel plot, Xindi War, that took the place of genuinely exploring the history of Star Trek like I had hoped) I am somewhat wary of Discovery and the distinct possibility of the show messing with the established canon as its predecessor did.

After reviewing the details (see link above) I find myself wondering if I will have the enthusiasm required to purchase a subscription to the CBS streaming service in order to watch the show after the free premier that will be broadcast on CBS proper.

A unique aspect of the show is that Discovery will feature a new approach with the POV character not being the ship's captain as is with the previous installments.

Also it is being rumored that a number of interesting guest actors will be involved.

My first impression seeing the design of the Discovery itself was not great but I'm willing to be flexible with the show's aesthetic and its tone provided its entertaining.

Speaking of the POV, I didn't much care for Sonequa Martin-Green's character on The Walking Dead but it had more to do with her actions and attitudes within the story than the actor herself so I'm hopeful I will find her Discovery character engaging and appealing.

I will definitely watch the first episode and form my long term opinions based upon something more concrete than rumor and speculation.

That is if they ever announce a broadcast date. Big Grin
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:18 am    Post subject: Re: Star Trek: Discovery Reply with quote

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I will definitely watch the first episode and form my long term opinions based upon something more concrete than rumor and speculation.

That is if they ever announce a broadcast date. Big Grin


Same. I admit that I do not have very high hopes, but I will keep an open mind.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now we know. September 24th at approximately 8:30 pm since it follows the NFL.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watched the premier of Star Trek Discovery and I have to be honest and admit that I have mixed emotions about the show's debut.

The aesthetic the show's creators have captured is Trek but the Trek of J.J. Abrams reboot "Kelvin Timeline" not really any of the previous incarnations of the varied television series. If this series is its own thing then it establishes a brand new timeline and therefore isn't bound by existing Trek canon which is troubling to me.

I like new science fiction very much. If this was a brand new show that only had similarities to Trek I would have found it intriguing but since it insists on being the next Trek I have to say that I'm not looking forward to how they explore, distort or re-write Trek canon.

The first and most obvious reference existing in this series that goes way off canon is that the POV character, Michael, is an adoptive daughter of Sarek, Spock's father. She is not Vulcan but Terran and has never been mentioned previously, as was Sybok, Spock's half brother from Star Trek V: The Final Fiasco.

There are other divergences in that the ship designs, uniforms and instruments appear to be far in advance of all other Star Trek series but the series is set in the past before the Original Series demonstrating a lack of interest in connecting to previous Trek which is liberating for the storytellers and infuriating to existing Trek fans.

The acting is sketchy at times but every show needs time for its actors to fully inhabit their roles. Discovery will be no exception.

The establishing plot of the first episode is a bit convoluted but understandable. A number of the actions taken by Michael during the episode would be forgivable for an established character and would otherwise be a point of sympathetic contact with the audience however in this scenario the character just comes off as unnecessarily defiant and somewhat unlikable. Viewers with knowledge of Trek will instantly side with her point of view but this particular character hasn't as yet earned enough of our loyalty to completely forgive her insubordination.

I believe that this show is specifically tailored for younger viewers that have an interest in Star Trek but do not possess an encyclopedic knowledge of its established canon. Older Trek fans will probably be slightly repulsed at first but will eventually embrace the show. How long that will take depends on how loyal to the past each viewer is.

After watching the 3rd episode of The Orville, Seth McFarland's Trek-like series, I found the experience to be so similar to STNG that I felt the story is interchangeable with that show. Since the Orville uses similar sets and musical cues as STNG it instantly feels familiar where Discovery seems almost as alien as the ship's science officer.

To be fair, I liked the first episode of Discovery but found enough wrong to give me serious doubts. I won't be purchasing CBS All Access but I am sure Discovery will appear on blu ray or other streaming services in the future and therefore it may be some time before I have additional comments on the show.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't seen it yet. That sounds like about what I expected, which is a bit disappointing, but not really a surprise.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"'Star Trek: Discovery' barely achieves liftoff" -- CNN Entertainment
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"'Star Trek: Discovery' barely achieves liftoff" -- CNN Entertainment


I read that too.

However I must confess that I have not watched the second episode and have noted that some critics explain that though episode 1 seems lacking, viewing episode 2 gave more clarity and presented a more cohesive story as a whole.

It may be many months before I am free to view more of the show.

I guess the only way I would be able to enjoy Star Trek Discovery, at least at first, would be to think of it as another reboot or another timeline where adherence to many beloved Star Trek norms is not absolutely required.

As Star Trek The Next Generation was a Star Trek for a new generation so Discovery is the Star Trek of its generation. It remains to be seen if long time fans are willing to accept a Star Trek that has been created with their children in mind, not necessarily them.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It may be many months before I am free to view more of the show.

You are mercifully free of the knowledge of the true power of the internet. Wink

Me: ST:NG was meh, DS9 lost me, and I never went back to the well. This had a chance to lure me back. I guess it won't. (Though I like Jason Isaacs.)

I suppose everyone was imagining that this would be something in the ranks of Game of Thrones, Walking Dead, Breaking Bad, etc. There's a pretty high bar now.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I guess the only way I would be able to enjoy Star Trek Discovery, at least at first, would be to think of it as another reboot or another timeline where adherence to many beloved Star Trek norms is not absolutely required.

As Star Trek The Next Generation was a Star Trek for a new generation so Discovery is the Star Trek of its generation. It remains to be seen if long time fans are willing to accept a Star Trek that has been created with their children in mind, not necessarily them.


What I don't get is that they have an entire legion of existing fans. They know what we like. (Don't they?)

Taking risks in an attempt to attract new fans works to a certain degree. But it has to be recognizable as Star Trek, or what's the point?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Profits went down in the movies that were like normal Star Trek. So someone tried something new and it was profitable for a time. In the Hollywood breadhead logic, try something new with Star Trek = profit for a bit. Artistic integrity rarely has anything to do with it.
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And if you want Star Trek, there's always The Orville. Feels like Seth McFarlane wanted to be Kirk, and decided he had enough power and influence to make it so (I know I know...Picard). Plus he can add his sense of humor to not be a complete rip-off (which it is anyway).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not ready to get CBS All Access to watch Discovery. The first episode wasnt great. But you know what, most shows first episodes arent great. So although I love all things Trek, I wont be shelling out the cash to watch this.

On the other hand, I have been watching The Orville and its been fun to watch. Its good enough that I'm looking forward to the next week after this week's episode is over.
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