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The Absence of The Creator in The Last Chrons
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Wosbald, that gives us an ever deeper level of interpretation, or another very deep one...

Basically, Life and Death aren't just mechanics for the construction of organic structure but also organic activity. The dynamics of meaningful coincidences, as manifests in the divine synchronicity of perhaps especially the Last Chronicles (the very mystical level of detail that rides across so many of its pages in such a sterling way), are some of the stuff of this life, and by bringing Covenant back to Life, Linden symbolically violates the meaning of his Death, or at least seems to--though we later find that he consented to this alteration in advance, as the Timewarden, who blames even himself first for her fall, so to say--amidst that perhaps most coincident scene of all in the Last (or any of the) Chronicles, the climax of FR.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Wosbald, I read Z's reply to what you said, so I thought about this...

Z says the Creator problem is basically dismissed because SRD wants to emphasize thought that isn't theistic or whatever. Or, this is my gloss of what he says. But anyway, it doesn't seem true, does it? For the Despiser is there right through to the end, and the Despiser is, in fact, the God of the Land. So God never vanishes from the story, does he? Or, as Z said in this thread, it seems, if the Despiser is internalized, then so is the Creator, and this represents the final internalization of theistic concepts (as examples of human meaning first, instead of divinely-revealed meaning first? if that were the desired conclusion... which in a story obsessed with the value of forests I don't think is quite the case).

EDIT: Suppose the beggar had multiple-personality/dissociative(sp.?)-identity disorder, plus schizophrenia [EDIT 2: people having mental illnesses of various kinds does seem to be a sort of theme in the IRL sections...]. Then in the interworld void, when the Despiser talks to Covenant, so is the "beggar" talking to him, and the same is happening when the Creator is talking to him, and so on. So in all the scenes in the Last Chronicles where the Despiser is present, so is the Creator ("somehow"?).
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Err, I guess one way we could just approach this is very directly and simply by saying we don't see or hear from him because he, well... died? Is it so strange the last time he's directly involved in the book is the point the beggar died?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He talked to TC once and it was a gamble by his own account.
He talked the Linden once and knew it was a gamble.
He didn't say anything to anybody because that would mean that a new
Land's savior would be created and SRD wanted the story to have an end.
So use the last two main characters and let them work it out.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the Gradual Interview was wrote:
There seems to be a lot of themes of 'shared identity' throughout the series -- "You are the white gold"; Foul is Covenant's dark side, the side that despises himself. Foul is also the "brother" of the Creator. So, in a sense, they are all really One.
    If anything, the tradition I was drawing on was Christian (because of my background in fundamentalist Christianity, not because I am in any useful sense a believer): the Trinity, God in Three Persons. Except I obviously wasn't thinking of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. More like Creator, Destroyer, and Holy Ghost (wild magic). Or Creator, Destroyer, and--what shall we call Covenant as the protagonist of the drama?--Acolyte. But you're quite right about the "shared identity" theme. I was explicitly thinking of the Creator, the Despiser, and wild magic as aspects of Covenant himself.

I don't think you can separate Donaldson's notion of "Trinity" from the question of the disappearance of the old man.

Covenant isn't the Creator, just like he isn't the Despiser. At least, not at the start. But as the story progresses, these disparate aspects become one, which is the final destination in his "quest to become whole". Covenant's union with Lord Foul is rather explicit in the text, but with the Creator is less so. Nevertheless we must trust it's there. Trusting, we see the clues. The Creator is not a present being that Covenant merges with, rather the Creator is a responsibility which Covenant learns to accept. He is the Creator's "Acolyte" - his "follower".

So, at a certain point, when the Creator appears in the story, it is Covenant whom we see before us. Not the old man. And he DID appear to Jeremiah before he came to the Land ... just not the same way. Different Creator, different methods. THIS Creator cares about whom he chooses.
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