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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, the Perdon just arrived under attack of Imagery, and vowed to send his dead and wounded to lie at Joyse's feet, conveniently distracting Eremis from Terisa.

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That's good in a way, because at this point in the story there's something threatening about Eremis that's hard to assess. Somehow one just knows that Geraden has probably got good reason for not liking him.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But Teresa keeps fawning over him...

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But Teresa keeps fawning over him...

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True, and that can be one of the more difficult things to read about in the first book. She knows little about people, thanks to how she was raised under her father's iron control, and somehow buys into the idea Eremis tries to plant in her mind that only he can give her the self-validation she craves. Still, even in the earlier chapters she looks to Geraden for a truthful explanation about anything. It just seems like it takes her a long time make a stand--though when she does, it makes me read the story with increased enthusiasm.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed. Until she does, I keep fuming about her being such a...such a...hell, I don't even know what to call it. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She was deprived of attention her whole life. Geraden gave her attention, and so she liked him. But Eremis gave her exciting attention, and so it excited her. Eventually she learned. But first she was a noob.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not disagreeing with that. Very Happy Doesn't make her any more pleasant to read though. (I always disliked her early character way more than I ever did Linden. (In the first 2 Chrons anyway. Very Happy ) )

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a theory in psychology that people from abused background fall into recurrent abusive relationship throughout their life.

Terisa never got the love and interest every child needs from her parents. Eremis, the egocentric middleaged ladies' man with the cruel streak reminded her probably subconsciously of her father. It's no wonder his interest in her meant so much to her. Geraden was nice but she was disappointed before. That worker who taught her to play checkers was nice as well but left her when her father found out.

We see that she finally got over her father issues when she meets him again with Geraden in her former apartments. It was a long journey but her parents gave her a lot to deal with
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know, SS. I mean, it's a valid theory. But if you applied it here, Terisa would have gravitated to the guy who ignored her the most. Yes?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds legit to me...what she lacked was validation, and Eremis offered it in spades.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can't be an exact match, Wayfriend. Nothing would happen if he was an exact replica of her father.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, okay. But this would not have been the first case of a woman (or a man) being interested in someone very much like their father (or mother), if that had been your suggestion.

Eremis does have other features that would remind Terisa of her father. He's older, well off, urbane, does important things with important people, likes his women. He even doesn't seem to care much about what Terisa wants, and expects her to be obedient to his whim. So he would be a father figure, improved by providing attention.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, okay. But this would not have been the first case of a woman (or a man) being interested in someone very much like their father (or mother), if that had been your suggestion.

Eremis does have other features that would remind Terisa of her father. He's older, well off, urbane, does important things with important people, likes his women. He even doesn't seem to care much about what Terisa wants, and expects her to be obedient to his whim. So he would be a father figure, improved by providing attention.


Exactly.

Also, I got the impression her father had a nasty streak. Nothing on the level of Eremis but there were hints. The man is not only powerful. He's also scary to his underlings. Terisa's mother pretends to be a wax doll. Her father doesn't beat her but maybe he did things to her mother.
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Well, okay. But this would not have been the first case of a woman (or a man) being interested in someone very much like their father (or mother), if that had been your suggestion.

Eremis does have other features that would remind Terisa of her father. He's older, well off, urbane, does important things with important people, likes his women. He even doesn't seem to care much about what Terisa wants, and expects her to be obedient to his whim. So he would be a father figure, improved by providing attention.


Exactly.

Also, I got the impression her father had a nasty streak. Nothing on the level of Eremis but there were hints. The man is not only powerful. He's also scary to his underlings. Terisa's mother pretends to be a wax doll. Her father doesn't beat her but maybe he did things to her mother.


Reading MN, I got the impression Terisa's father did something to break her mother's spirit, though perhaps she came into their marriage that way.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, abuse doesn't have to be physical...

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Of course, abuse doesn't have to be physical...

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It certainly doesn't. Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if someone as emotionally cold as Terisa's father relied mainly on psychological abuse to get his way.
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