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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed and Pelosi is encouraging women to run, to get involved in government..

As far as I can tell thats the long and short of it .. 🤷‍♀️

Be great if more women were encouraged by their peers and woman serving in government.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Intellectual Dark Web.

I might make that its own topic; we'll just have to see. Anyway, it refers to people from both the Left and the Right who have been mostly ostracized from their respective groups because they voiced "dangerous" or "unpopular" opinions. As an example,


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Sam Harris says his moment came in 2006, at a conference at the Salk Institute with Richard Dawkins, Neil deGrasse Tyson and other prominent scientists. Mr. Harris said something that he thought was obvious on its face: Not all cultures are equally conducive to human flourishing. Some are superior to others.

"Until that time I had been criticizing religion, so the people who hated what I had to say were mostly on the right," Mr. Harris said. "This was the first time I fully understood that I had an equivalent problem with the secular left."

After his talk, in which he disparaged the Taliban, a biologist who would go on to serve on President Barack Obama's Commission for the Study of Bioethical Issues approached him. "I remember she said: "That's just your opinion. How can you say that forcing women to wear burqas is wrong?' But to me it's just obvious that forcing women to live their lives inside bags is wrong. I gave her another example: What if we found a culture that was ritually blinding every third child? And she actually said, 'It would depend on why they were doing it.'" His jaw, he said, "actually fell open."

"The moral confusion that operates under the banner of 'multiculturalism' can blind even well-educated people to the problems of intolerance and cruelty in other communities," Mr. Harris said. "This had never fully crystallized for me until that moment."


I know many people think conservatives are closed-minded but my advice to those people is to take a step back and see The Left a little more closely--if you don't parrot the prevailing opinions they will eviscerate you and then throw you under the bus.

The article sums up the IDW nicely:


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"Some say the I.D.W. is dangerous," Ms. Heying said. "But the only way you can construe a group of intellectuals talking to each other as dangerous is if you are scared of what they might discover."

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a rambling crock .. of alleged intellectual excesses. God that was a journey and a half .. I think too many people in this day and age get sucked into .. lol 😂 .. rabbit holes like this. What a futility and utter waste of human intellectual investment.

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I get the appeal of the I.D.W. I share the belief that our institutional gatekeepers need to crack the gates open much more. I don't, however, want to live in a culture where there are no gatekeepers at all.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The racism treadmill
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Racism" is subject to the Law of Fives: if you look for something long enough and with enough creativity, you will always find it and you will find it everywhere.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then how is this a thing 🤔

https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000003575589/a-conversation-with-my-black-son.html
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is because some people are simply assholes. Also, as mentioned in the "militarization of the police" thread, it is often the case where police are trained (or at least led to believe) that black people are often associated with crime; the usual excuse is "they matched the description of a wanted suspect" even if there is no "suspect" in mind.

Individual racism still exists--not even I dispute that--but widespread institutional racism simply does not exist like it used to. Too many people are still under the impression that it is 1958 rather than 2018.

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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Reasonable distinction

Though you can see how if you are black and still deal with the sorts of things they do ... it wouldnt necessarily seem that racism is dead.

But yes 21C gov policies should be a disincentive and act in incidents of systemic racism to address and remedy them.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About that Liberal Bias on Campus...
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found that interesting .. and did a quick google and found to my surprise that there is a rather strong connection between conservative colleges and universities with religious foundational principles.

https://thebestschools.org/rankings/20-best-conservative-colleges-america/

It would seem the two are oft related ____ Presumably not across the board though.

But its common to find tertiary education more the domain of liberal thinkers .. one supposition for this provided in the below article _

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/why-graduates-lean-to-the-left/news-story/01abf264376ea109f0c6675c62c0ac5a

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A 2005 Pew Research Center study found that liberals were the most educated ideological demographic and were tied with the conservative sub-group the "enterprisers" for the most affluent group. Of those who identified as liberal, 49% were college graduates and 41% had household incomes exceeding $75,000, compared to 27% and 28% as the national average, respectively.[31] Liberalism has become the dominant political ideology in academia, with 44-62% identifying as liberal, depending on the exact wording of the survey. This compares with 40-46% liberal identification in surveys from 1969 to 1984.[32] The social sciences and humanities were most liberal, whereas business and engineering departments were the least liberal, though even in the business departments, liberals outnumbered conservatives by two to one.[33] This feeds the common question whether liberals, on average, are more educated than their political counterparts--conservatives. Two Zogby surveys from 2008 and 2010 indeed affirm that self-identified liberals tend to go to college more than self-identified conservatives. Polls have found that young Americans are considerably more liberal than the general population.[34] As of 2009, 30% of the 18-29 cohort was liberal.[34] In 2011, this had changed to 28%, with moderates picking up the two percent.[35]

From the Pew Research Centre .... pewww _

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Interesting no 🤷‍♀️

My point though likely not crystal clear .. is not entirely to be a smart ass 😏 .. though I could fault no one from such an impression ... but that there are as many sources that will provide a conservative bent on an issue as there are that will provide the polar opposite POV. 🤷‍♀️
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if those young adults cited in that study Skyweir linked are going to university because they identify as liberal or do they become liberal upon attending university? I suspect the former--they already identify as liberal--but regardless of their political leaning they clearly understand that a secure financial future becomes more likely by attending a university (and graduating).

If I were going to speculate wildly, I would hypothesize that these liberal professors know that their ideas cannot win political contests at this time so they are looking to the future, indoctrinating young minds who will become the liberal leaders of tomorrow. Of course, this speculation is about 15 years behind the times--those liberal professors arrived at that conclusion years ago. Whether it is true or not is irrelevant--they are conducting themselves as if it were true--they *are* molding the minds of tomorrow into the shape they wish them to take.

If you think university makes you a critical and/or independent thinker then you (not you, personally, the generic "you") are either naive or you have been indoctrinated successfully. Independent minds disagree with their professors.

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exceptional point Hashi 👍

Indeed and ... from my experience in law school we were consistently encouraged to do that very thing. Challenge the thinking of the day, the syllabus, the professors, even precedent .. to examine how slightly different sets of facts may affect different rulings .. slash ... outcomes.

So some do, do this .. challenge students, to develop different arguments .. of course they had to be defensible and appropriately reasoned .. or they wouldnt pass muster.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which is why I sent my daughter to college in the South. I wanted her way outside the toxic DC Bubble.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took a sociology course my second year in university which was taught by an ex-hippie (this was in 1989, mind you, so he was in his early 50s). He was *very* liberal, of course, but he was also sneaky--if you agreed with everything he said and spent most of the course just parroting his views you would not earn a grade higher than a B; the only way to get an A was to disagree with him (yes, you had to do more than that, but that was actually part of what he was looking for--people who would think for themselves).
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I took a sociology course my second year in university which was taught by an ex-hippie (this was in 1989, mind you, so he was in his early 50s). He was *very* liberal, of course, but he was also sneaky--if you agreed with everything he said and spent most of the course just parroting his views you would not earn a grade higher than a B; the only way to get an A was to disagree with him (yes, you had to do more than that, but that was actually part of what he was looking for--people who would think for themselves).
I was a sociology minor in college (graduated in 1990), and got caught in the very beginning of the PC movement. The sociology department was already uber-liberal, and that additional layer of BS was awful. My professors were the exact opposite of yours. Deviation from the accepted viewpoint was punished harshly.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your experience is probably the norm. This is why I advise the teenagers to pursue the hard sciences in university--your political beliefs are irrelevant in the chemistry lab or when learning how to code an animation sequence.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would never recommend College (or University if you will) to kids today. The Return on Investment is no longer there. Take technical courses and go that route to get a real job with a good chance at advancement. Then take online courses to get degree in business to set yourself up to move into management when you are ready. the cost will be less than 25% of what you will pay to go to University on school loans.
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I'm 100% with you there, SB.

I'm a product of a UK university and when I graduated around 35 years ago, it was still a worthwhile, well-regarded and helpful qualification.

These days in the UK at least - and elsewhere too, it seems - having a university degree is far less useful or valuable. It's simply not worth the substantial debt that students incur - and spend years and years paying off.
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I would never recommend College (or University if you will) to kids today. The Return on Investment is no longer there. Take technical courses and go that route to get a real job with a good chance at advancement. Then take online courses to get degree in business to set yourself up to move into management when you are ready. the cost will be less than 25% of what you will pay to go to University on school loans.
That depends.

I sent my daughter to LSU. With her good grades and her choice of majors, she graduated with a double-major in 3-1/2 years with less than $35,000 worth of debt. She had internships during semester breaks (and ultimately during her last semester), and she networked her ass off. She's - only 18 months after graduation - now a serious power player in DC making serious money. She'll have her loans paid off in another year or so.

But she's exceptional, and she had exceptional guidance. I told her that if she wanted a bullshit liberal arts degree, she could go to community college. If she wanted a degree that would actually prepare her for the working world and enable her to not only support herself but help pay for school, that I'd send her anywhere she wanted. But if her grades ever fell below a 3.5 for a semester, that the gravy train was over. She graduated Cum Laude (3.68 average).

Our ROI has been spectacular, but I also recognize that we're not the norm.
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I want to agree desperately that college is not good investment. It has become less so the last ten years or so. However, there are still many managers that consider the college degree a rite of passage and will not hire (or very less likely) to hire candidates because of lack of degree. I think it is foolish and short sighted. Give me a person with good experience and ability to be trained quickly I would trade that for college degree in a heartbeat if I could. But I have fought with my bosses and lost just because they wanted that college degree in the resume. Sigh..it is sad but true.
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