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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyway, meh...I have little to no faith...Lynch's version sucked, the Sci-Fi version was barely better, and really only inasmuch as they didn't butcher it the way he did.

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Strange how opinions differ. My first thought was whether it was even possible to top Lynch's version. Though the strong showing of BR 2049 gives me hope.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More news.

Stellan Skarsgard has been cast as iBaron Harkonnen.

The director is Denis Villeneuve, who shot Blade Runner 2049, Arrival, Sicario.

Also, they are filming in the Middle East (Jordan). This spring.

Good or bad, this movie has Names. And it's going Places. Which means it has Money. Which means there is Faith. That's not a lock for a good movie, but it's pointing positive. If they can [finally] make LOTR, then they can make Dune.
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I don't honestly get the hatred of the Lynch version. I am FAAAAAAAAARRRR from a Lynch fan, but I've always said he made two good movies: Elephant Man and Dune. And neither are particularly entertaining. I remember seeing Dune in the movie theater, and they handed us a sheet of paper to make sense of the story, which was not a good sign. I felt like I was getting a history lesson over something that didn't exist. I hadn't read the book, but had a copy of it that I could never get through. It has massive pacing problems, and takes itself maybe a little too serious, but after reading the book after watching the movie a million times on HBO or whatever, I feel it is pretty slavish to the book, and that pacing problems and such are more the fault of the text.
I've never seen the miniseries because I knew I would probably not be interested. But I'd probably see the new movie version. I expect it won't do it for me, but for some reason, once the Lynch version got going and they introduced the Fremen and the stillsuits and the sand worms, it got pretty interesting. I've not read anything else by Frank Herbert, but didn't really connect with his writing, but I found several of his ideas intriguing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't honestly get the hatred of the Lynch version.

Mainly, it's this:



Or, more diplomatically: Lynch added a lot of really stupid things. Why does the Baron have a disease on his face? Why does Thufir have such huge eyebrows? And: Heart Plug WTF?!?! It turned a very serious story into a campy nightmare.

Lynch didn't believe the audience would accept the story as it was written.
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I don't honestly get the hatred of the Lynch version. I am FAAAAAAAAARRRR from a Lynch fan, but I've always said he made two good movies: Elephant Man and Dune. And neither are particularly entertaining. I remember seeing Dune in the movie theater, and they handed us a sheet of paper to make sense of the story, which was not a good sign. I felt like I was getting a history lesson over something that didn't exist. I hadn't read the book, but had a copy of it that I could never get through. It has massive pacing problems, and takes itself maybe a little too serious, but after reading the book after watching the movie a million times on HBO or whatever, I feel it is pretty slavish to the book, and that pacing problems and such are more the fault of the text.
I've never seen the miniseries because I knew I would probably not be interested. But I'd probably see the new movie version. I expect it won't do it for me, but for some reason, once the Lynch version got going and they introduced the Fremen and the stillsuits and the sand worms, it got pretty interesting. I've not read anything else by Frank Herbert, but didn't really connect with his writing, but I found several of his ideas intriguing.
The problem is that it's not a very good book. It's an interesting idea, but Herbert's not a good enough writer to flesh out the interesting idea. So any adaptation has to address the horrible pacing of the book and make it more palatable.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually thats a fair assessment. I enjoyed the Dune series but translating it to the screen would require some dot connecting.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wayfriend wrote:
Cagliostro wrote:
I don't honestly get the hatred of the Lynch version.

Mainly, it's this:



And this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U86aorxbBRY

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree.

David Lynch's Dune is What You Get When You Build a Science Fictional World With No Interest in Science Fiction

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Dune wants to be phantasmagorical and it wants to be offensive to your senses, and those things can work in cinema, as Lynch's career communicates incredibly well. But this film does not carry off that off-kilter creepiness as anything more than a parlor trick. It fails to be authentic because these cues are not entrenched in the universe projected on screen. They are there to shock the viewer, to disgust them, but they don't mean anything. The Guild member floating in its chamber of gas is strange and otherworldly and grotesque, but communicates nothing besides that. It is not integrated into its setting, its surroundings. It exists to be gawked at, to unsettle us, and then it disappears from view and we go back to the part of the narrative that needs to hold our attention.


Believe it or not, this gives me hope. Because someone who is actually interested in science fiction can could create something much more intellectually pleasing.

That, plus now we have CGI.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

👍 very true Wayfriend ..

You know its kinda odd to me that youd make a sci fi movie like Dune and not be in to sci fi 🤷‍♀️ but I guess its just a business venture.
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I tried watching the Lynch movie last night.

Oh my god, is it bad. It's oh-my-god-bad. There's like, literally, no acting in it. Everything is so fake it's literally shaking like it's made out of cardboard.

It has a lot of the sensibilities of Flash Gordon (1980) and Conan (1982). Except it cannot lift itself off the ground due to the weight of the exposition that's always grinding away.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

+JMJ+

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I tried watching the Lynch movie last night.

Oh my god, is it bad. It's oh-my-god-bad. There's like, literally, no acting in it. Everything is so fake it's literally shaking like it's made out of cardboard.

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Opinions do differ, I s'pose. Wink

Here's an, IMO, very fair review ...

Oliver Harper's Retrospectives and Reviews: Dune [Video: < 14 min]


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In that movie, Patrick Steward as Gurney Halleck charges into battle.

With a Pug.

I kid you not.

Patrick Stewart going into battle with a battle pug

I think any further comments are excessively redundant.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wayfriend wrote:
It has a lot of the sensibilities of Flash Gordon (1980) and Conan (1982). Except it cannot lift itself off the ground due to the weight of the exposition that's always grinding away.


Yeah, that's two fair comparisons, actually. I like/don't like both of those movies as well. Flash Gordon mostly for the soundtrack and several pretty faces that pulled me through puberty. And Conan, because it was dumb but fun, when the pacing wasn't crushingly slow.

But I would like to counter with the Sting scene, "I WILL KILL HIM!!!"
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