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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:02 am    Post subject: Estie (Spoilers possible) Reply with quote

I have drafted and abandoned this post for some days.

Having finished The War Within almost two weeks ago, I am itching to discuss. While many things have changed since the end of Seventh Decimate, Estie seems like an obvious topic to start discussion of this book.

Feel free to create more topics!

Mod note: Trying to strike a balance between discussion and circumspection, I encourage the former...but may "spoiler" some disclosures...although my experience of the dedicated SRD readers on the Watch is that y'all know where that line is...in fiction discussion, if not always in discussion of real-world events.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I finished the book last week and loved every minute of it. I also have no idea what is going to happen in the next book especially with Estie. She's come to be one of my favourite Donaldson characters for a long time.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the book really picked up when Donaldson focused on Estie. She could have so easily been a cliched character, but Donaldson gave her nuances and complexities that elevated her above the stereotype.

Obviously, there's a key matter that needs to be resolved with her in the third book. It will be interesting to see how Donaldson resolves it - along with everything else that needs to be done.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say Etsie is the center of TWW..the author fills out all the characters in the book but he really fills the Estie character out..perhaps into the 5 and 6th dimensions..He even kinda admits it the dialogue or two between her and Bifalt..you have changed ..and I have not...all bringing us to her choice at end...woowee..So the speculation is..
SPOILER ALERT
what is the nature of that she seeks to identify..??
Did the author give us clues thru-out this book? perhaps..One clue may be early on..the author tells us when she realizes her emotions for Bifallt are actually " desires",,,xxxx would come later...
I get the sense that in classic Donaldson style the climax of the next book and perhaps the whole tale, has a lot to do with Estie being who she is and Bifalt surpassing himself ..falling in love with the evolved Estie...??
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I fear about Estie is this: those who worship the god talked at length about how sorcerous power makes one arrogant and callous. And now Estie is going to acquire sorcerous power. I think this is a coincidence not. They all seemed to have dried up and left dodge at about exactly the same time Estie was given knowledge of her power, a bread crumb anyone could guess would be followed to the library. I don't know what this means, but it all seems interconnected.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wayfriend wrote:
What I fear about Estie is this: those who worship the god talked at length about how sorcerous power makes one arrogant and callous. And now Estie is going to acquire sorcerous power. I think this is a coincidence not. They all seemed to have dried up and left dodge at about exactly the same time Estie was given knowledge of her power, a bread crumb anyone could guess would be followed to the library. I don't know what this means, but it all seems interconnected.


Estie's unrevealed 'gift' will be a key reveal in the 3rd book for sure.

Its a talent that could cut either way; nevermind what the Church said about those with sorcerous powers, look no further than the impact such a preoccupation with one's talent had on her own Father for signs and wonders.
As you say; for Estie, all roads lead to the Repository.
How long have they known of and planned to integrate the fact of her gift?

I think that Donaldson hints throughout the 2nd book that the Magisters - while a largely complacent and haughty lot - are nonetheless no better equipped to make sense of their world than anyone else - Bifalt's contention that they are to be deplored due to their capacity to inflict hurt while remaining at a safe distance contradicts his own easy sanctioning of rifles and cannons (sophistry, Covenant might say) - Estie reflects upon this early in the book, not seeing the other side of the coin in a very Bifalt-way..
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Estie's gift remains a mystery. That even the Magisters of the Library hadn't mentioned her..mite be a clue. Mystery, maybe that is her gift,,mystify, send folks into an unknown..where their own fears or Love ruins them or saves them respectively.

I keep wanting to see her as a saving force against the Library's enemies. Perhaps that is a mistake. Maybe her talent is to get other folks to be all that they can be..plenty of clues pointing in that direction...and it may have a pay off in the sack with her husband..Did I say that?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that the Magisters at the Library already know what Estie's power is. When the time was right, they sent someone tantalize her into coming to them.

The fact that they waited until the last minute means that they fear her power. They want to control her by circumstances so that she won't act independently.

They even may have arranged the whole Beleger/Amika alliance so as to keep her in check under Bifalt - a sorcery hater - until then.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats interesting Way..Her slumbering "gift" seems to be prejudicing a lot of folks,,most surprising the devotees. No matter, the implication is that her gift will be of major consequences or impact.
Yet , even if the Magisters didn't know her "condition" they know now, due to M Facile's communication abilities. Sure,the right thing to do for Estie is go to the Pros for identifying,guidance and nurturing her gift if thats what she chooses. What an internal contest she mite have ..if it was made plain her gift could save the Library and having to stave off the Arrogance of being the Heroine..Yes,Her independence mite be crucial to the whole deal.

OH! Maybe she has the gift of The Squirrel..of Brite Shiny Things..once mastered can distract a new at port sailor from a house of ill repute, a farmer from his soybeans, a soldier from his mission..Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds like a Most Holy Devotee of Flesh.

Estie will be so much more!
Still, I agree that SRD has set the expectation that ere the series is through, Estie and Bifalt will definitively consumate their marriage.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Estie will be possessed of the gift of typesetting.

All those books in the Last Repository, hoarded away by the Magisters?

Estie will simply replicate them and let them out into the world to be read by any who wish.
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