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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:46 pm    Post subject: SPOILERS: An idea, not a theory, about Book 3 Reply with quote

Okay, I may be jumping the gun on this discussion, given that Book 2 only just came out, but I have an idea about book 3 that I wanted to share. I don't think this will happen ... but it's a possibility.

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The Magisters of the Last Repository are the bad guys. They hold all the knowledge of the world, true, but they hoard it for themselves, rather than actively using it to enrich people's lives. Not only that, they expect nations to perish in order to maintain their sole possession of knowledge, rather than working with those nations to create more Repositories.

The Enemy is a more technically advanced nation who are coming to destroy the library only so that its knowledge can be used to benefit nations like Bellinger and Amika.

What got me thinking about this is that by the end of Book 2, we haven't really seen much of the Enemy, and the Enemy hasn't acted overtly aggressive. Normally, by this time, I would have expected Donaldson to have made the threat very clear, and elicited a strong response from us against the villain. But not so in this series.

Donaldson also hasn't written a twist like that in his novels before, and it would be interesting to speculate whether that idea was what sparked the need for two more books to the series.

I'd be interested to hear others ideas of what might be coming next.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But surely the enemy has made his presence known. The raiders are abroad and the monks of the great God are in the capital. I'm assuming they are both harbingers of the invaders and as such the enemy are followers of some mad religion that would want the repository destroyed because it doesn't fit in with their plans for world domination.

However this is SRD so anything could happen from here.

Plus it's just occurred to me that if your theory turns out to be correct it would also make Bifalt right as well.....
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should this turn out to be correct, it casts the events at the end of TWW in a very different light.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

renny wrote:
But surely the enemy has made his presence known. The raiders are abroad and the monks of the great God are in the capital.


Ah, that is true. I had forgotten about the attacks on the Southern ranches. It's a good point, and it would be hard to justify a "liberator of knowledge" nation treating people that way.

With respect to the church, though, we don't yet know their ultimate purpose. Yes, they seem to be trying to undermine the alliance between Bellinger and Amika, but that could be the work of either an evil or a good agency.

And we don't really know the nature or intent of the ships trying to land at the bay of reefs (can't recall the name offhand).

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I'm assuming they are both harbingers of the invaders and as such the enemy are followers of some mad religion that would want the repository destroyed because it doesn't fit in with their plans for world domination.


Well, yes, that's certainly what the Bellengians think Smile.

Your point is well made though. I may be overthinking Donaldson's intentions.

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Should this turn out to be correct, it casts the events at the end of TWW in a very different light.


It does indeed.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the wonderful thing about SRDs writing. We're at the midway point and all we know for sure is that there is a bad guy. There are quite a few levels of story going on here. I suspect a reread is in order.

Anyway here's a more general question about the next book. Will there be a significant time elapse before we rejoin the characters?
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

renny wrote:
This is the wonderful thing about SRDs writing. We're at the midway point and all we know for sure is that there is a bad guy. There are quite a few levels of story going on here. I suspect a reread is in order.

Anyway here's a more general question about the next book. Will there be a significant time elapse before we rejoin the characters?


I agree, these two books are great. I haven't read SRD in a while, but the old man delivers. There are a lot of contemporary authors who could learn from his writing technique. It is so clear that he knows exactly where this tale is leading. He didn't just throw out a tangled web of side-plots that he has no way to resolve other than hiring HBO to finish the story for him. Love the guy, he is an absolute master of his craft. And I loved it when he said the line "Winter is coming" in this book, lol.

That said, I tend to agree that the Library isn't the bad guys and the enemy aren't the saviors. There are too many sides at this point to really figure out what all of their motivations and allegiances are. We've got the Library, the Enemy, the Nuuri, the Raiders (are they the same as the guys on the boat in the Bay of Lights?), the Church of Rile, the Wagon-Train, and Estie's dead Dad (can't remember his name). There's also the Spirit and Love sisters (can't remember their name, either). And the Monks of Plenty. That's all I can think of now, but there may be more.

I suspect Bifalt's instincts are mostly correct, and the Library are pulling strings for their own benefit and not necessarily Belleger's. Their entire game to this point may just be to get Estie to the library to unlock her potential, whatever that is. I cannot wait for the next book, SRD ended this on a great cliff-hanger (literally, lol).[/b]
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Estie's dead Dad is King Smegin.

What we learn of him in TWW tends to make it unlikely that the offstage enemy is the good guys and the Magisters of the Library are the principal villains.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another question. Do people think that Estie and Bifalt will fulfil one another? That's the politest way I could think of phrasing that question! FWIW I think yes they will.
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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2019 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, absolutely rooting for that to happen; how can one not?

SRD foreshadows this in a few places in TWW, but most clearly in Telling Each Other the Truth. His protagonists are always masters of getting in their own way and misunderstanding how they are seen by their fated companion.

Their "fulfillment" will happen, as will other events that we've been led to expect. He only invents what he needs.

To address your earlier question, I don't expect the passage of time will be significant, certainly not like the two decades between the first two books. Events are quickening. Stuff is happening.
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2019 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed. Yes, I think all will be resolved. At least, I hope so. If not, I suspect the resolution will be quite the opposite; I doubt there will be any middle ground.

I don't think there will be much passage of time between Books 2 and 3 at all. I suspect 2 & 3 will feel more like a single story, while book 1 will become more of a prologue.

Just talking about book 3 makes me want to read it. I hope it's not a long wait.
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