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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh thats lovely .. the church imposed their own taxes on the masses Rolling Eyes and occasionally WHEN requested the church might defer that umm debt, or if the bastards were lucky maybe even excuse it .. and in times of significant population losses the church might allow chaste married persons to serve in the clergy.


Interesting to identify what qualified as a chaste marital relationship 🤔

And if it qualified then, why it wouldnt also be applicable today 🤔

And incestuous relations were blessed during times of Black Death and or plague. Not sure what the justification for that would be 🤔

How very adaptive the church was capable of being during the darkest of ages.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And incestuous relations were blessed during times of Black Death and or plague. Not sure what the justification for that would be 🤔


30% of the population of Europe was dead.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Polish historian questions German researcher's claims about wartime pope [In-Depth]

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Pope Pius XII gives a blessing at the end of a radio message Sept. 1, 1943. (Credit: CNS photo)


A top Polish historian has questioned claims by German researchers that newly opened Vatican archives contain information damning the role played by Pope Pius XII during World War II.

"This team has the advantage of having been to these archives, and we must face the truth calmly if some major new discovery is made," said Jan Zaryn, one of Poland's foremost church historians.

"But I've never personally encountered a situation in which 11 volumes of material, published over two decades, are suddenly countermanded by a single document, found after a few days' research."

Father Hubert Wolf, a professor at the University of Munster, Germany, said that, after an early March visit to the Vatican Apostolic Archives, his team had found proof that the Vatican knew of the Nazi mass killing of Jews but denied it to diplomats.

In a May 1 interview with Catholic News Service, Zaryn said diplomatic sources had long confirmed that the pope, with Allied governments, had learned of the Holocaust by late 1942, adding that St. Paul VI had agreed to publish wartime letters and documents from the archives early in order to "end the campaigns" against his predecessor.

"In his 1942 Christmas message, Pius XII condemned the mass murders; although he did this in his own language and didn't mention Germans and Jews by name, the message was censored by the Third Reich, since it was obvious what the pope was referring to," said Zaryn, a former senator and expert with Poland's National Remembrance Institute.

"When the Germans entered Italy and occupied Rome, it was clear that words of public condemnation would merely heighten dangers that the Vatican itself would be seized, compromising the rescue of Jews. This is confirmed by numerous documents," Zaryn said.

The director of the German Historical Institute in Rome, Martin Baumeister, also warned against "sensational reports," telling Germany's Catholic news agency, KNA, that any material would have to be "compared, checked and weighed to ensure the new knowledge is useful."

Wolf headed a team of seven from the University of Munster's theology faculty to the Vatican, after its Pius XII archive, containing at least 200,000 boxes with over 2 million documents, was opened to historians March 2 after nine years' preparation.

The archive was closed a few days later due to Italy's coronavirus pandemic, forcing the team to return home.

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Catholic priests, nuns were among those killed by Nazis

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The watchtower and barbed wire fence are seen at the memorial site of the former Nazi concentration camp, Dachau. (Credit: CNS photo/KNA)


WARSAW, Poland -- The Nazis' systematic persecution and genocide led to the deaths of 6 million Jews in Europe, but Catholic priests and nuns were also among their victims.

Half of all Poland's Catholic priests, monks and nuns suffered repression during the six years of World War II, with more than 2,800 killed at Nazi and Soviet hands. Researchers like Anna Jagodzinska of Poland's National Remembrance Institute say clergy were particularly targeted as upholders of national culture and identity.

Of the nearly 2,800 clergy of all denominations incarcerated at the Nazi concentration camp of Dachau, 1,773 were priests from Poland, of whom 868 were killed. Others were subjected to exhausting labor and pseudo-medical experiments.

Despite the horrors, many priests witnessed to the faith by hearing confessions and staging secret Masses, also offering practical and spiritual support to fellow inmates.

Catholic clergy of various nationalities died as martyrs at other Nazi-run camps, including the largest, Auschwitz-Birkenau, whose 1.2 million mostly Jewish victims included St. Maximilian Kolbe and St. Edith Stein, also known as St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross.

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Research on the wartime martyrs was encouraged by St John Paul II, not least in his 1994 apostolic letter, "Tertio Millennio Adveniente," which compared them to the holiness of the initial Christians.

In St. John Paul's native Poland, which lost a fifth of its population under Nazi occupation, including 90 percent of its 3 million-strong Jewish minority, the National Remembrance Institute has worked with historians across Europe to build up a database of victims.

At least 1.8 million Poles were also sent to Soviet labor camps by Soviet occupation forces; many Catholic clergy who survived Nazi repression later died at communist hands.

"While the Nazis eliminated clergy as a barrier to Germanization, later communist governments prohibited any acknowledgment of Catholic martyrs to aid their own anti-church campaign," Jagodzinska told Catholic News Service.

"Martyrdom is always martyrdom, whenever people die for their faith, and their stories still attract great public interest, while much material still awaits study for handing on to the next generation," she said.

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tis a dark period in Catholicism re their collaboration with wartime fascism... more especially Mussolini but nevertheless
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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am wondering if he is going to post any articles about the priests or bishops who helped some Nazis escape to South America....
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