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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ah, perhaps it's my admiration (or misinterpretation) of Gandalf's humility that infects my thoughts.

But it makes me wonder. Saruman, too, was weakened by long corruption (not as long as Sauron), but he, too, was exerting immense will to create and control Isengard's Orcs.

I feel like I'm crossing into D&D territory - but it makes me wonder about Saruman and Gandalf. When Gandalf was chosen as the third to go,
Tolkien wrote: wrote:
Varda looked up and said: 'Not as the third'; and Curomo (Saruman) remembered that.


Which to me implies that the humble Olorin, as Gandalf in Middle-earth, merely played his part. Saruman was selected as the leader of those sent to Middle-earth, and Gandalf never had a desire for power or leadership anyway. Though when he pushed for the Istari to assail Dol Guldur, and Saruman counseled against it, I imagine he rethought his role a bit. And we know that he kept his own counsel close after that.


This humility, clearly seen as a virtue - has an explanation/source.
Are y'all aware what Tolkien's faith was -what he believed, and how seriously he took it?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too bad Tolkien never wrote about the two blue wizards whom arrived at the Havens. They went into the far east of middle earth and were never heard from again.

In fact he never wrote about any of the Lands in the eastern parts (in any detail) except briefly when the elves first awoke.
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