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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet a Forestal would have that sort of power, though he probably wouldn't be aware of it as such. I mean, CW enabled Linden to wield two supposedly opposing powers, so why not?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe it's just me, but I always pictured Forestals as nothing more than bad-assed Loraxes.
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Dude, The Lorax RULES!!!!! And I think the Oncler was a raver! Ibet a Barbaloot could kick the ass of a Skurj anyday....and don't get me started on the untapped powers of a Sowamee Swan...and Gilden got nothing on a Truffala Tree.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, i dont think the forestals coud heal the broken laws by themselves. Donaldson states several times that earthpower and law could not heal itself after the events in the first chronicles. It took white gold creating a new staff and someone from outside to wield it. But maybe the runes are a sort of guide or aid that Linden is supposed to use, combining it with her own power, to mend the broken the laws.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I think Anele is the potential new forestal. Because of what he can do seeing into stone. Because how he never felt like he could be a Lord like his parents, but needed to follow his own path. Because of the hints of power that he has. And, most of all, because he was resurrected by Caer Caveral, who knew he was the last of his kind but who, like Wildwood, lamented the Land ever being without a guardian.

The Laws will not be restored. Donaldson himself has said that he doesn't believe in stories where things are restored to the way that they were. Things may be healed imperfectly, or replaced, but never undone.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure if Anele will be a Forestal... With his story and background I am sure he's being set up to do something Astonishing.. Frankly walking around singing to trees doesn't really cut it...

And Sunder & Hollian weren't Lords..

Remember how Troy had to be an apprentice Forestal for a time? It seems to me that if anyone IS going to become a Forestal they are going to have to go through some 'apprenticeship'.. How they're going to do that without affecting Time will be interesting, coz not even Anele has that kind of knowledge...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're told that Wildwood died prior to the Sunbane appearing -- what if he isn't really dead, but was snatched out of time?

Or what if he isn't really dead, but is laying in wait? Didn't part of the One Forest survive through the Sunbane?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We're told that Wildwood died prior to the Sunbane appearing -- what if he isn't really dead, but was snatched out of time?

Or what if he isn't really dead, but is laying in wait? Didn't part of the One Forest survive through the Sunbane?


Only Giant Woods, which had no Forestal but was in the Lower Land and wasn't touched by the Sunbane.

We're told in Covenant's Soothtell that Wildwood died - if he didn't as you suggest, that would be a major retcon.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dlbpharmd wrote:
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We're told that Wildwood died prior to the Sunbane appearing -- what if he isn't really dead, but was snatched out of time?

Or what if he isn't really dead, but is laying in wait? Didn't part of the One Forest survive through the Sunbane?


Only Giant Woods, which had no Forestal but was in the Lower Land and wasn't touched by the Sunbane.

We're told in Covenant's Soothtell that Wildwood died - if he didn't as you suggest, that would be a major retcon.


Was it specifically died, or that, seeing the progress the New Lords had made on recreating the forests, decided that his work was over and 'stepped aside?'
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In The Wounded Land was wrote:
Caerroil Wildwood, the Forestal of Garroting Deep, had believed his labor ended at last, and had passed away


Here's what get's me ... how does his passing away between TPTP and TWL, apparently contented, jive with the boon he asked of Linden? Did ge get his answer? And if so, what does that mean to Linden?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats a good point! The Forestal that met Linden would know that his forest is not going to be safe in the future, and therefore would not believe his labour ended! Maybe Donaldson is indeed planning to transfer him to the lands present?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps "passed away", though usually used as a euphamism for dying, could be taken literally in this case...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait - Death and dying aren't really insurmountable obstacles nowadays aren't they? Isn't it possible Linden could resurrect the old Forestals?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ninjaboy wrote:
I'm not sure if Anele will be a Forestal... With his story and background I am sure he's being set up to do something Astonishing.. Frankly walking around singing to trees doesn't really cut it...


Wow, this really got me thinking . . . what the world needs is something like a "forestal" for rock, rather than trees. There's never been one before, to my knowledge. In fact, there's a distinct asymmetry here. You've got gravelingas and lillianrill for stone and trees. And you've got a "shepherd" of trees in the form of forestals. But no such being for rock, to complete the symmetry. And, rock is Anele's "only friend." He certainly has a deep connection to them. So perhaps a "forestal" for rock, an "earthal" (yes I know, horrible name) would have the power to preserve earth like a forestal has the power to preserve forests.

In this light, his "moonstone" eyes are suspiciously like CW's.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that Anele is destined to commune with the Rock of the Earth. I don't see him having any real connection to trees at this point. I still think he will read the "One Rock" deep in the bowels of Mount Thunder for some sort of astonishing revelation, or to commune with the Worm of the World's End. And I don't think it is a coincidence that the Skurj consume rock.

Hmmm..just a thought...If Kastenessen is some sort of Super Skurj, then is it possible the Foul may set him on the path of "consuming" the "One Stone" if it in fact exists (if we take the symmetry argument one step further.)

And if the Worm is roused by the One Tree, what would be roused by the "One Rock" and would it have an ak-Haru equivalent?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malik, I think Wayfriend will be pleased to read your post. He suggested something like this too... IIRC his term was "rockestal" Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Stonestal".

I like it when others have the same idea independently. Makes a better case for it.

But I think being a Stonestal would only be a start for Anele. I think he'll end up being an Earthestal.
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Relayer wrote:
Malik, I think Wayfriend will be pleased to read your post. He suggested something like this too... IIRC his term was "rockestal" Wink


That's cool. Though I have the distinct impression of having made it up myself, it's entirely possible that I read Wayfriend's post and it got lodged in my subconscious. Which thread was that? If it's one I've posted in, then I'm sure I read his post.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stonestal, that's right. I think it was during the Runes dissections... ?

I must've been thinking of Electric Light Orchestra's "Rockestra" Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Relayer wrote:
Stonestal, that's right. I think it was during the Runes dissections... ?

Runes Pt 1 Chapter 9. Scion of Stone

Malik, you didn't post in it ...
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