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A Letter to Linden Avery (aka, I just finished FR)
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:24 am    Post subject: A Letter to Linden Avery (aka, I just finished FR) Reply with quote

Dear Linden,

What on earth were you thinking?? Are you insane?

You know, I was almost starting to warm to you when you were being betrayed by fake-Covenant. No one deserves that, not even you.

But then you had to go and do something stupid again. No this time it was beyond stupid. And what really gets me is that you knew it was stupid. Everyone and their mother was warning you not to be an idiot, and you just kept going with your fingers in your ears. Lalala, I can't hear you all warning me. I'm not going to tell anyone what I'm doing because I know if I do they'll tell me I'm being an idiot, and then I won't be able to pretend I'm not anymore. Even Covenant himself told you Remember I'm dead, but you apparently decided to ignore that part of what he said. Your opinion was the only one that mattered.

What gives you the right to make unilateral decisions that could potentially affect the whole world? And all for the sake of your son. You know what? Honestly, I don't care about your son if it means everything else gets sacrificed. I care about the Land. Your son is just one person - he's not worth tearing apart the entire world.

Even Covenant in his most extreme moments was careful not to do anything that would harm the Land. You...you just don't care. You're causing harm to the whole world, all for your own selfish reasons.

You have the worst judgment I've ever seen. Covenant did some crazy stuff, but he's nothing compared to you. You're just a walking disaster.

The only good outcome I can see from this is that maybe we'll get to have Covenant back for a while. Maybe we'll even get to see some things from his perspective again. God, do I miss having Covenant as the narrator.

Exasperation,
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*ahem* Okay, I'm done ranting now. Um, hello everyone! Wave

Disclaimer: I'm not actually angry...just in case that didn't translate across the Internet. Nor did I actively dislike this book - it's not my favorite, but it had its moments. I'm just shaking my head at Linden's monumental stupidity.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy Good Post

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Very Happy Good Post

We need a "Welcome to THOOLAH!" emoticon.


Oh, I've been a member of THOOLAH for years.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My god that was beautiful!

*weeps*

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foamy!! Hi, sweetie!!! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Foamfollower.. You misguided THOOLAH person..

So your saying Linden's resurrection of TC is a mistake?
Nobody wanted to give her the information she needed.
Esmer has does some good things for her but the bunion of a
pollop is two faced as anything.
So she followed her heart and raise TC. Some of the major powers could have told her what would have happen.
But good ole Caerroil Wildwood even helped her complete the ritual for
raising TC when he inscribed runes on the staff.

And the only harm is, that Elohim are gonna get munched..
There wasn't any prediction that the world will end.
The Theomach (wherever he is) is happy.
The Harrow is happy!
The Vizard would have been happy!
The Whole Insequents race are happy.
Who need those self righteous Elohim anyways!

Linden has supassed Kenaustin Ardenol! He only humilated the Elohim, she
is getting rid of them. The Haruchai should call her ak-Haru Linden Avery!
She is greater than the Theomach!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
ak-Haru Linden Avery

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foamfollower1013 wrote:
dlbpharmd wrote:
Very Happy Good Post

We need a "Welcome to THOOLAH!" emoticon.


Oh, I've been a member of THOOLAH for years.


Yeah, she's been a member ever since it's founding - I told her about it right away, since we had both bitched about LA for years. Razz

Great post, Foamy! Big Grin
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah your right, I mean it should have been easy but she had to go and make it all confused and difficult. Whenever Im faced with a decision where the fate of the world, existance even, and the eternal fate of my helpless autistic son hangs in the balance, Im always able to decide exactly what it is that I am supposed to do. I always succeed in dealing plainly with Insequents, Masters, Giants, Ramen, Sandgorgons, Ravers, insane ex- wives, and Forrestals. Not to mention Time paradoxes. Simple really. She made all the mistakes that I would not have , which is exactly why Donaldson didnt use me in the story.There is no excuse for her failures as a mother, and as the protector of the Land , she should be replaced.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with you, Broken. I never ask anybody's opinion or advice when all of existence is about to fall apart. In fact, I mislead and simply refuse to answer questions from even my strongest supporters; whether or not they have just as much at stake as me; whether or not they may know more about certain events and conditions than I do. It's a lot more fun to do crazy things, and look at the looks on their faces! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fist and Faith wrote:
Foamy!! Hi, sweetie!!! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


Hello! Wave

Ur Dead wrote:
So your saying Linden's resurrection of TC is a mistake?


Was it a mistake? I don't know. I'm torn between "Linden, you idiot, what have you done?" and "Yay, we get Covenant back!" Razz Seriously, though: it's possible that this may have a good outcome in the end, but considering that she didn't know in advance what the outcome might be, I think her decision to do it (especially without consulting anyone) was incredibly stupid.

It's her judgment I'm questioning - her failure to think (or care) about the consequences of her decisions. Regardless of what the consequences actually turn out to be, I think her judgment in making those decisions is flawed.

Ur Dead wrote:
And the only harm is, that Elohim are gonna get munched..
There wasn't any prediction that the world will end.


Au contraire. From The One Tree:

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If the Worm is roused, the Earth will end, freeing Despite to wreak vengeance upon the cosmos.


Findail says that when Covenant almost wakes the Worm at the end.


And in response to Broken...yeah, what F&F said. Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ur Dead wrote:
And the only harm is, that Elohim are gonna get munched..
There wasn't any prediction that the world will end.


Au contraire. From The One Tree:

Quote:
If the Worm is roused, the Earth will end, freeing Despite to wreak vengeance upon the cosmos.


Findail says that when Covenant almost wakes the Worm at the end.


That's assuming that we believe everything Findail says. And he hasn't been know for 100% truthfulness.

Didn't SRD say in the Gradual Interview somewhere that not everything the Elohim say about themselves is true? (Though granted, the particular statement the Foamy quotes is not about the Elohim themselves.)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's assuming that we believe everything Findail says. And he hasn't been know for 100% truthfulness.

Didn't SRD say in the Gradual Interview somewhere that not everything the Elohim say about themselves is true? (Though granted, the particular statement the Foamy quotes is not about the Elohim themselves.)


Yeah, so maybe he wasn't telling the truth. The point is, there was a prediction that the world would end. Ur Dead said that there wasn't.

All the information we've gotten about the Worm has come from the Elohim anyway, hasn't it? So how do we know any of it is true?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we at least agree on this one point ? That regardless what you, or I, or the King of Siam might do, Linden did exactly what she was intended to do, by the author. If you hate her , then hate her.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if TC didn't sublimitally tell Linden to resurrect him. Confused

The reoccuring phrases.

Find me

Remember, I am dead.

It is haunting.

TC saids to find him but he is dead. Maybe for TC, that the only way he can help her is to be resurrected.

But again he saids: "Linden, what have you done" isn't a condemnation nor is it an direct question. The Elohim gives an answer that states that TC asked a question and Inflecie (?) interject her own answer.

So it looks like AATE might well hold the answer to the cliffhanger in FR. (As FR answered the question of the two riders in Runes)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can we at least agree on this one point ? That regardless what you, or I, or the King of Siam might do, Linden did exactly what she was intended to do, by the author. If you hate her , then hate her.
We're trying to, but you're interrupting!!!

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In fact, I mislead and simply refuse to answer questions from even my strongest supporters; whether or not they have just as much at stake as me... It's a lot more fun to do crazy things, and look at the looks on their faces! Very Happy


Uh.... TC giving up the ring to Foul at the end of White Gold Wielder much??? Lol...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fist and Faith wrote:
In fact, I mislead and simply refuse to answer questions from even my strongest supporters; whether or not they have just as much at stake as me... It's a lot more fun to do crazy things, and look at the looks on their faces! Very Happy


Uh.... TC giving up the ring to Foul at the end of White Gold Wielder much??? Lol...


I know. Can you imagine if that had been a cliffhanger? The discussion on this board? TC giving up the ring. Foul killing him with a "I won" cliffhanger?

We'd have THOOTCH! <grin>
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what the heck?! Lets look at the precedent Thomas Covenant gives us: What is more important, the fate of the Land or one snake-bitten girl from our own world?

What Covenant did there was much worse going by these standards. While Linden is willing to let the world be painlessly destroyed for the sake of her beloved son (or for her beloved mate) Covenant was willing to condemn this world to an eternity in hell for the sake of some nameless child he just met.

Talk about double standards.

And lets not forget that Covenant basically goaded her into doing this. He probably didn't think she'd actually bring him to life (he must have thought she'd just talk to his ghost in Andalain) but who's fault is it that he wasn't understood?
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