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Hey Vraith-

I'm not going to search through TOT and WGW as if they are the bible to find quotes in regards to the tension between linden and covenant because she felt she was more capable at using his ring than he was, the example of her grabbing his hand on one occasion and using his ring to heal someone, and the significant element of the plotline that those examples highlighted (the belief by the elohim that she was the rightful wielder). If you read the books, then it's disingenuous of you to demand me to.

Loremaster · Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 3:45 am Post subject:

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You cannot make statements and then refuse to back them up

Yes I can- if they are statements that should be common knowledge for anyone that's read the books. I'm not required to argue the existence of well known points in the plot. Are you going to next demand that I prove that TC is a leper? If I do so, will you then demand that I prove that the first book in the last series is entitled "runes of the earth"?

Vraith · Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 3:14 pm Post subject:

Demondime-a-dozen-spawn · Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 6:09 pm Post subject:

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Vraith · Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 9:07 pm Post subject:

Orlion · Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:38 am Post subject:

Zarathustra · Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 8:37 pm Post subject:

Who says that Linden has trouble accessing the white gold in Runes? She saved herself in the destruction of Kevin's Watch without even thinking about it. She used it to create a freakin' caesure (didn't she? Or am I remembering it incorrectly?).

Linden doesn't have trouble accessing the ring herself. It's Esmer's presence--specifically his personified contradiction--which blocks her access. I thought Donaldson made this clear. Maybe it's in Fatal Revenant. Oh well, spoiler alert, if that's the case. Mods do your thing.
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Vader · Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:19 pm Post subject:

wayfriend · Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 10:05 pm Post subject:

Linden has had an array of obstacles to using wild magic.
+ Kevin's Dirt removing her health sense.
+ Esmer blocking her
+ An inherent conflict with using Law/Staff at the same time.
+ Fear of changing history (when in the past)
+ Not knowing about all of the above leading to self-doubt.

The author has beset her with obstacle after obstacle. It's clearly no "mistake" that Linden can't use the wild magic at all times.
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Zarathustra · Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 10:34 pm Post subject:

Good points, WF. Yes, the situation is more complex than the assumptions surrounding this apparent "contradiction." And, it should be pointed out that none of the factors you listed were in effect in the Second Chronicles.

Donaldson has made some errors in consistancy. And he has admitted them. But this isn't an error. It's more like a mystery. (Perhaps insect knows this, since he put "mistake" in quotes.)
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Remain faithful to the earth, my brothers, with the power of your virtue. Let your gift-giving love and your knowledge serve the meaning of the earth ... Do not let them fly away from earthly things and beat with their wings against eternal walls. Alas, there has always been so much virtue that has flown away. Lead back to the earth the virtue that flew away, as I do–back to the body, back to life, that it may give the earth a meaning, a human meaning. -Nietzsche

aardvriend · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:11 pm Post subject:

I am a Dutch reader, and I do not know excactly what is meant by the "Close" ? I think you mean it is the area where the Lords held there meetings, and on the balconies the people of the land were hearing the speeches?? Can you please help me out on this one? thanks.

Imagine the above mentioned is correct:
Wasn't the "close" destroyed, or at least damaged in such a way, that Linden indeed never has been in de orginal setting of the "close"?.

Probably I am so wrong here Confused

but a text error so obviously made by SRD, I simply cannot believe.

wayfriend · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:23 pm Post subject:

As was said above, they are different places.

The Close is the hall where the Lords held council. That's where, for example, Covenant revealed he had the white gold to the Lords, and where Trell enacted the Ritual of Desecration.

The "Sacred Enclosure" was where Vespers was held. That's where the balconies were, so that all the people of the Revelstone could attend That's where, for example, the Lords tried to heal dukkha Waynhim, and where the master rukh was located.
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aardvriend · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:46 pm Post subject:

thank you very very much Wayfriend, for clearing this out for the Dutch audience Very Happy

I am trying to catch up as much as I can to get familiar with the english (original) names. Mainly by reading lots of old dated posts on the Kevin Watch. Best would be to start reading the chronicles in english ofcourse :/ but that will be a long term project I am afraid.

wayfriend · Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:01 pm Post subject:

I figured it was something like that, aardvriend.
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Remillard · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:35 am Post subject:

Just one fellow's thoughts on the matter, but there seems to be a distinct difference between the use of wild magic by Linden in the second chronicles, and the last chronicles. Remember Covenant had been imbued with venom that removed the usual triggers he was used to having to use. The way I read that is the wild magic was ALWAYS present in some fashion. I don't recall the exact quotes, but it was near the end of The One Tree and White Gold Wielder where he was practicing using it for shaving because ... well he could. So, when Linden used wild magic in that story, she was merely siphoning off some of what was already present. She was always able to manipulate it but she didn't have to generate it. Covenant was the wild magic battery, so to speak.

In the last chronicles, she's more back to the state Covenant was in the first chronicles. She does adequately when it's already triggered, but she's having the same trouble he had getting it initiated. Rather than finding external triggers, she's using her own emotional and mental states to elicit the trigger -- at least when not prevented by Esmer's presence.

Once it starts flowing though, she does pretty much what she wants. Therefore I don't see a discrepancy between the two series, just a matter of perspective.

Orlion · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:44 pm Post subject:

Excellent post, Remillard!
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