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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 3:39 pm    Post subject: Who is the Fatal Revenat? Reply with quote

Call me obtuse if you like, but who is actually the Fatal Revenant? Linden or Covenant? Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll let others more versed in the Chrons answer your question, son of Dwillian, and take the time to welcome you to the Watch instead. So...

Be Welcome to the Watch, son of Dwillian.
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If you like, come tell us about yourself in the Say "Hello" in here thread in The Summonsing.
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

according to the missus ME!!! Big Grin Big Grin
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's a previous thread that might help you out.. Smile

http://kevinswatch.ihugny.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13276
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LA is the Fatal Revenant. It says so on SRD's website. Go to the home page & click on the "trailer" for FR at the top of the Home Page. See for yourselves.
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't go by the trailer - that's just something **I** made up after reading the draft. Even though SRD "approves" them before they go on the site, they don't necessarilly represent what he had in mind. It amazes me how often I felt sure I knew what was going on (in *any* of the books), then read something in the GI or hear Steve answer a question at an Elohimfest and find out how much deeper the "truth" really is. And I put together the "teaser" to be exactly that - perhaps meaning one thing, perhaps another. Like the "Linden, what have you done?" quote in the FR trailer. It's one of the last lines in the book, but it suggests that the TC that we see at the beginning might be the real one. Now, that doesn't mean that the trailer doesn't accurately represent the book - it's meant to do that, too.

I think SRD said in a GI answer that there were several Fatal Revenants. Linden, Roger, Jeremiah, TC himself. They can all be looked at as fatal reflections or incarnations of themselves.
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think the Fatal Revenant is just one person - it is more like an underlying concept of the last chronicles. Depending on the perspective everyone is a revenant of one sort with the potential to be fatal to others. Foul, Linden, Covenant, Anele, Ramen and Ranyhym (who return to the land), the Mahdoubt, the Theomach, the Demondim, the ur-Viles and Waynhims ... even Berek. With time travel and ceasures every one can be a revenant.

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And Romeo was faster. Damn, I type top slow or think too long while typing ...
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't go by the trailer - that's just something **I** made up after reading the draft. Even though SRD "approves" them before they go on the site, they don't necessarilly represent what he had in mind. It amazes me how often I felt sure I knew what was going on (in *any* of the books), then read something in the GI or hear Steve answer a question at an Elohimfest and find out how much deeper the "truth" really is. And I put together the "teaser" to be exactly that - perhaps meaning one thing, perhaps another. Like the "Linden, what have you done?" quote in the FR trailer. It's one of the last lines in the book, but it suggests that the TC that we see at the beginning might be the real one. Now, that doesn't mean that the trailer doesn't accurately represent the book - it's meant to do that, too.

I think SRD said in a GI answer that there were several Fatal Revenants. Linden, Roger, Jeremiah, TC himself. They can all be looked at as fatal reflections or incarnations of themselves.


That quote - "Oh Linden, what have you done?" was a helluva teaser, and an even better cliffhanger. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Romeo wrote:
Don't go by the trailer - that's just something **I** made up after reading the draft. Even though SRD "approves" them before they go on the site, they don't necessarilly represent what he had in mind. It amazes me how often I felt sure I knew what was going on (in *any* of the books), then read something in the GI or hear Steve answer a question at an Elohimfest and find out how much deeper the "truth" really is. And I put together the "teaser" to be exactly that - perhaps meaning one thing, perhaps another. Like the "Linden, what have you done?" quote in the FR trailer. It's one of the last lines in the book, but it suggests that the TC that we see at the beginning might be the real one. Now, that doesn't mean that the trailer doesn't accurately represent the book - it's meant to do that, too.

I think SRD said in a GI answer that there were several Fatal Revenants. Linden, Roger, Jeremiah, TC himself. They can all be looked at as fatal reflections or incarnations of themselves.


That quote - "Oh Linden, what have you done?" was a helluva teaser, and an even better cliffhanger. Wink


After I read FR, I thought about that trailer and said "Well-played". My hat off to you, Romeo
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orlion wrote:
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Romeo wrote:
Don't go by the trailer - that's just something **I** made up after reading the draft. Even though SRD "approves" them before they go on the site, they don't necessarilly represent what he had in mind. It amazes me how often I felt sure I knew what was going on (in *any* of the books), then read something in the GI or hear Steve answer a question at an Elohimfest and find out how much deeper the "truth" really is. And I put together the "teaser" to be exactly that - perhaps meaning one thing, perhaps another. Like the "Linden, what have you done?" quote in the FR trailer. It's one of the last lines in the book, but it suggests that the TC that we see at the beginning might be the real one. Now, that doesn't mean that the trailer doesn't accurately represent the book - it's meant to do that, too.

I think SRD said in a GI answer that there were several Fatal Revenants. Linden, Roger, Jeremiah, TC himself. They can all be looked at as fatal reflections or incarnations of themselves.


That quote - "Oh Linden, what have you done?" was a helluva teaser, and an even better cliffhanger. Wink


After I read FR, I thought about that trailer and said "Well-played". My hat off to you, Romeo


let's not brag on Romeo too much - he's already got that "I'm SRD's webmaster and you're not" attitude going on. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool ideas here. TC almost has to be one FR, [half the powers in the world knew that, whatever her other intentions, Linden was going to call TC..fated, back from the dead]. Many of the other speculations are pretty interesting too, and considering SRD's penchant for multiplicity, ONE ANSWER seems unlikely. A couple thoughts just occured to me [that are highly speculative, but I hope interesting...] Kastenessen...certainly fatal [in both the deadly and fated senses] and also a revenant...returned, but not what he once was. The Haruchai [same reasons as Kast.] ....damn, I should have mentioned, since I didn't see it here, in addition to the noted definitions, revenant can also mean remainder, or what is left over.
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always assumed TC was the Fatal Revenant, due to the definition of revenant.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MsMary wrote:
I always assumed TC was the Fatal Revenant, due to the definition of revenant.


The same definition would apply to Lord Foul. Or Linden - after all she looks like being pretty dead in her own world.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I finished an entire book and still don't know what the title means. If only I knew what Revenant meant. I suppose I should have looked it up, but I figured eventually I would get a clue in reading the book. Not so. Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One note or two, three:
The FR can be a spectre of a past deed. A dark mood(Which Linden has developed) The Mahdoubt could be one. Bhapa's fear of being a Manethrall.

A revenant is a spirit who seek vengence for a wrong, but SRD might redefine it as a condition.
Or it can be Kastenessen, who is mad but is he alive?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Methinks it is deliberately vague, but in terms of obvious plot, Thomas Covenant.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:57 pm    Post subject: Who is the FR? Reply with quote

Even though the definition of revenant says a "spirit", that does not necessarily mean that the FR is dead.

Therefore, it could be LA or TC. For that matter there are several more characters that fit the bill as well.

Having said that, IMO it is TC.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:06 pm    Post subject: I'd guess it's the Ranyhyn! Reply with quote

Just because everybody (except LF and Ravers) loves them.

I'm looking forward to the conclusion, but gotta say LA is bugging the bejabbers out of me. She's so admirable in so many ways, yet she's willing to damn the Land for the sake of vacant Jeremiah. All the wonder of the Land and its denizens doesn't strike me as a worthy bargain (as Wildwood would say) for one damaged teen who never responds. BTW, I do hope Jeremiah isn't going to put Foul somewhere from whence he can never return.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:49 pm    Post subject: Re: I'd guess it's the Ranyhyn! Reply with quote

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She's so admirable in so many ways, yet she's willing to damn the Land for the sake of vacant Jeremiah. All the wonder of the Land and its denizens doesn't strike me as a worthy bargain (as Wildwood would say) for one damaged teen who never responds.


She's his MOTHER.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:40 pm    Post subject: Re: I'd guess it's the Ranyhyn! Reply with quote

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She's his MOTHER.


By adoption.
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