Replacing Dead Bloodguard

dlbpharmd · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 7:58 pm Post subject: Replacing Dead Bloodguard

I'm trying to think of Bloodguard who were NOT replaced after their deaths. Obviously, these were Bloodguard whose bodies could not be recovered. I've come up with a few obvious names:

1) Tuvor (died in Kiril Threndor)
2) Morin (died in Earthroot)
3) Cerrin (died trying to save Lord Shetra in the Defiles Course)
4) Thomin (died at the hands of Fleshharrower outside Doom's Retreat)

Can anyone think of any others?

Forestal · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 8:02 pm Post subject:

as i remember there were two that died with lord shetra, but i dont know if the other was named...

and this list is always going 2 b incomplete because of the 40 year gap between the crons

but none the less, good luck... i would help but obviously i cant...

[edit - wasn't there one that died at the battle of soaring woodhelven?]
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duchess of malfi · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:05 pm Post subject:

One did die there but they were able to recover his body, so he was replaced.
I have always wondered about the ones who died on Lord Mhoram's scouting trip. I think it is said that all of the Bloodguard with him were killed, but I think it also says in Gilden-fire that one of the younger ones that went on Korik's mission was a replacement for one of the ones who died on the scouting trip.
Did Mhoram send the bodies back then for replacement himself?

And where was Terrel????
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Forestal · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:09 pm Post subject:

we've already talked about where terrel was in a previous thread... i forget which...

and i really should read this gilden-fire book every1 is talking about...

(500th post Smile

nice milestone)
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dlbpharmd · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:28 pm Post subject:

Landwaster · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 11:33 pm Post subject:

Did Sill keep on keeping on like British Paints?
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Landwaster · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 11:34 pm Post subject:

Whoops, looks like dlb's last post already answered my question.
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Cloudberry · Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 6:53 am Post subject:

When the dead bloodguard were returned on their Ranyhyn did the haruchai back home know who they where? After 2000 years.

Since the haruchai in the second chronicles still could speak the Lands language and knew about TC they probably knew right away...

Amazing that a race like the haruchai can have such good memory. It must have something to do with their telepathic skills?

Seafoam Understone · Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 8:50 am Post subject:

Since the Haruchai's homeland is pretty much obscure to us faithful readers (and posters) it's hard to say but one can imagine the Haruchai in their mountain homes. For me I see them being born, living, and dying of old age much as anyone else. The difference is their story telling and their awareness of their responsibilities to the Land and the Lords to keep up their "stock" of warriors to replace the ones who died in service.
One can also say that while strapping the bodies to the broad backs of Ranyhyn that subtle codes as to the identities of the dead are left for the Haruchai to find. Even after 2000 years. It didn't matter if anyone recognized them, except for the descendants of the dead's lineage so to know where to bury them.

I'm also guessing that the Haruchai had also the Giantish gift of tongues. Thus able to speak the Land's language or anyone's for that matter. They understood the Kassadum well enough in the 2nd Chronicles.
But that goes back to how TC (and later LA) were able to understand.

Speaking of their telepathic skills one wonders just how FAR those said skills could reach?
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jehannum_2000 · Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 10:48 am Post subject: Tricking the Haruchai

For those Bloodguard whose bodies were irrecoverable, couldn't the Lords have used non-Bloodguard corpses and just disfigured them so much that the Haruchai wouldn't be able to tell, e.g. by burning them?

I don't know how their Ranyhyn would have been persuaded to go along with this. Perhaps an extra handful of amanibhavam?

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Forestal · Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 4:41 pm Post subject:

i thought of this before... but i dotn think the lord would be that dis-honourable...
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Skyweir · Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Tricking the Haruchai

Landwaster · Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 12:33 am Post subject:

Well that sounds a bit gruesome, so I'd instead suggest they just put a sign around the neck of the corpse that says "I am Haruchai. Really I am."
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Forestal · Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 2:14 am Post subject:

what i wonder is... if the haruchai can talk to each other psychic-like... wouldn't they know when one of them died? or wouldn't the other live haruchai be able to tell the others that the haruchai in question was dead but un-recoverable?
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Man Of Westernesse · Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:37 pm Post subject:

I was about to post a new Topic - when i found this one..!

hyarmion · Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:41 am Post subject:

If I can just go back to the original postings.

Some good questions are raised: How did Terrel survive Mhoram's scouting mission to Foul's Creche, if all the Bloodguard with Mhoran were killed? I have often wondered that.

If, really, all the Bloodguard with Mhoram were killed, then yes I can imagine him sending their bodies back to the Mountains himself. At least he must have loaded them onto the Ranyhyn himself (the Ranyhyn may have sat down to make the job easier).

But the really important question: Did the Bloodguard have some nasty initiation ritual for the 'boys' who came down from the Mountains as replacements?

Forestal · Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:10 pm Post subject:

RE: Initiations

I would think that there would be some kind of fighting ceremony... there was one for leadership once I believe, but I don't remember which book it was in, it was such a long time ago that I read the books.

It would stand to reason that as new recruits arrived, they would be tested and trained by the older and more experienced members, so they they knew exactly who was strongest and who was weakest. Sort of like Spartan culture in that regard. In order to do their duty properly (protect the Lords), they would need to know exactly what their strength was.
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dlbpharmd · Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:52 pm Post subject:

Forestal · Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:00 pm Post subject:

Technically. I think for the purpose of this line of thought, it is canonical enough to qualify.
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jackgiantkiller · Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:02 pm Post subject:

Dont 4get the three mutilated to look like TC they were also killed
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