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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Trump Administration is now walking back its position of "we are going to pull out of the Paris Accord". They are claiming that the withdrawal was never "set in stone".

Bullshit. Go back to page 42 in this thread when pulling out of the Paris Accord broke as a news story--the Trump Administration was firm in their commitment to get out of the Accord completely with no looking back. Now they are just backpedaling to try and save face.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why? Never thought he cared that much about "face."

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably not; I am just trying to find an explanation why their original position was x and now it is y.

Also, what changed behind the scenes to prompt them to want to stay in and/or renegotiate? There must be some money to be made somewhere.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, people are always saying climate change is big business. Very Happy Certainly money to be made for somebody when it comes to, for example, complying with standards...

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now this is just bullshit:

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And in northern Minnesota, a district court judge in Hubbard County has ruled that he will allow activists to present a so-called necessity defense when they go to trial on charges for turning off valves to an oil pipeline in a direct action protest last year. The activists, who say their decision to break the law was necessitated by the clear and present danger posed by global warming, will be allowed to call expert witnesses on climate change. Among those who may be called are former top NASA climate scientist James Hansen and 350.org founder Bill McKibben, who told the website Common Dreams, "The whole planet will be inside a single courtroom the day this trial begins. It's a rare chance to explain precisely why we need to act, and act now."


Climate change is a "clear and present danger"? Like I said, bullshit.

Charge them with trespassing and criminal mischief, give them their court hearing, but for pity's sake don't turn this trial into a platform for climate alarmists to make their case. By allowing this, the judge has opened a door--if the alarmists win this case, there will suddenly be hundreds of similar cases as emboldened alarmists sneak onto oil company property to shut off every valve they can find.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it's clear, and it's present, it's just not imminent. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now this is just bullshit:

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And in northern Minnesota, a district court judge in Hubbard County has ruled that he will allow activists to present a so-called necessity defense when they go to trial on charges for turning off valves to an oil pipeline in a direct action protest last year. The activists, who say their decision to break the law was necessitated by the clear and present danger posed by global warming, will be allowed to call expert witnesses on climate change. Among those who may be called are former top NASA climate scientist James Hansen and 350.org founder Bill McKibben, who told the website Common Dreams, "The whole planet will be inside a single courtroom the day this trial begins. It's a rare chance to explain precisely why we need to act, and act now."


Climate change is a "clear and present danger"? Like I said, bullshit.

Charge them with trespassing and criminal mischief, give them their court hearing, but for pity's sake don't turn this trial into a platform for climate alarmists to make their case. By allowing this, the judge has opened a door--if the alarmists win this case, there will suddenly be hundreds of similar cases as emboldened alarmists sneak onto oil company property to shut off every valve they can find.
Wait until an attorney defending a rapist or pedo uses this defense.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly. Now, in this particular case, part of the "necessity" would be the defendants' admission that they shut off oil pipeline valves in order to help prevent climate change. Their reasoning will quickly collapse under this line of questioning:

Are you employed by an oil or pipeline company? (No.)

Do you have experience working "in the field" for an oil or pipeline company? (No.)

The valve which you shut off here (display a picture or video showing the defendant turning a valve wheel), do you know which pipeline it controls? (No.) Do you know which pipeline system it is part of? (No.) So you had no idea whether or not this particular valve was attached to part of a system which might be actively pumping oil? (Yes.)

Do you think oil leaks from pipelines are good for the environment? (No.) So you would state that they are *bad* for the environment? (Yes.)

Your Honor, the defendant claims that they acted out of "necessity" to prevent climate change but by their own admission they shut off a valve which could have, unbeknownst to them, caused an active pump system to fail, leading to a buildup in pressure, ultimately resulting in a burst pipe and an oil leak. Without knowing what they were doing, the defendant might have caused the very harm they were seeking to avoid.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ridiculous. Just because there is a consensus that the planet is warming (as it has been for centuries), doesn't mean there is a consensus that this will be dangerous ... much less "clear and present danger." It's not clear, and it's certainly not present. How can anyone possibly interpret their actions as preventing a "clear and present danger" if no one's life was saved by this action, or if no one would have been harmed if the action hadn't been taken?

The judge is either a moron, a leftist activist judge, or he wants to set a precedent that global warming alarmism is bullshit.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been saying this for years now--climate alarmists see only negative outcomes. You will never hear any alarmist citing any potential positive outcome from a warmer climate such as Siberia becoming a better green belt for agriculture. With a longer warm season and its location far north, the growing season for crops there could be enough to allow for two harvests each year--that solves any potential food shortage problem.

This is also indicative of the new tactic which alarmists are trying--they cannot implement their agenda via the Legislature so they will try the Judiciary. If enough court cases go their way they will begin to cite "exigent circumstances which prompted action" every time they want to act out in some manner. They will wind up suing corporations and governments--in fact, I think that one suit filed against the U. S. Government on behalf of children is still in the pre-trial stages.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You will never hear any alarmist citing any potential positive outcome from a warmer climate such as Siberia becoming a better green belt for agriculture. With a longer warm season and its location far north, the growing season for crops there could be enough to allow for two harvests each year--that solves any potential food shortage problem.


To be fair, this would probably only solve the problem for Russia. Unless those crops and harvests are somehow distributed, the fact that they will have better growth is not going to help countries where food crops no longer grow.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You will never hear any alarmist citing any potential positive outcome from a warmer climate such as Siberia becoming a better green belt for agriculture. With a longer warm season and its location far north, the growing season for crops there could be enough to allow for two harvests each year--that solves any potential food shortage problem.


To be fair, this would probably only solve the problem for Russia. Unless those crops and harvests are somehow distributed, the fact that they will have better growth is not going to help countries where food crops no longer grow.

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Russia exports $20 billion worth of food to 140 countries.

Which areas are not going to be able to grow crops? More CO2 and warmer weather is associated with an abundance of plant growth, not a reduction.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thinking is that current green belts will become too warm and arid to sustain mass crop production. Of course, there is no evidence to support this--human beings didn't cause the Sahara.

Russia would need to improve its highway system to/through Siberia, or build railroad lines, in order to increase its ability to ship food for export. Clearly, you don't want to ship it back towards Europe (unless you were sending it there, anyway). No, the ports in Kamchatka, Magadan Oblast, and Khabarovsk Krai are much closer and make more sense--ship the food in refrigerated tankers. Still, if Russia doubled or trebled its output their economy would enter a boom period.

The more northern States in the United States, already great locations for all sorts of agricultural products, would also see an increase.

No, alarmists are generally only concerned that urban centers--which are clearly not natural and therefore cannot be spliced into equilibrium with nature--will suffer due to higher temperatures and reduced rainfall. Even if you made all buildings green with green roofs and solar panel film on all windows it wouldn't make much difference.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temperature increases are already driving down food production in Africa, and forecasts suggest that reduction will reach as much as 20% less food produced in the next 30 years, even while population continues to increase.

Countries like Russia increasing their food exports doesn't help if the countries who need it can't afford to buy it.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't hydroponic vertical farms be a good idea to bolster some of Africa's food production?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wouldn't desalinization plants be a good idea for Africa? they are surrounded by an ocean. let's flood the Sahara.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a new small-scale desalination device I saw about a week ago. It is small so household use only but it is able to desalinate one day's worth of water in about one day--you empty it in the morning to collect that day's water then fill it again from the ocean and let it do its work. A scaled up version might be great for household garden irrigation.

Currently, many desalination options are still not cost-effective, which is why it isn't being pursued on larger scales. Water itself is not the problem--I can crunch the numbers again but my past efforts have shown that tapping only 3% of the entire volume of water in the ocean is more than enough for every person on the planet to have more water they can use in a year, including agricultural irrigation.

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Same problem in both instances, namely cost and infrastructure development. Although more of a problem for hydroponics, which would probably be an ongoing expense compared to a relatively once-off cost for desalination.

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NASA: Evidence Volcanic Activity Is Heating Up Antarctica's Ice Sheet
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After more than a century of research we still don't really know that much about Antarctica, mostly because of the harsh conditions. Not only does Antarctica regularly set the record for "coldest place on Earth" in any given year, but it is also one of the driest deserts (based on annual precipitation amounts--it is too cold to snow most of the year) as well as being the desert with the highest elevation.

My pet conspiracy theory is that the true beginnings of human beings on Earth (at least as far as civilization is concerned) will be found under the ice cap on Antarctica. In reality, though, any evidence which might have been left on the surface has long since been ground into powder by the amount of ice sitting on top of it combined with the fact that the entire ice sheet moves (albeit very slowly). If we ever bore a hole large enough for an expedition to get to the actual ground all we are going to find is bare rock and maybe another lake or two.

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