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How do you like the Global Warming so far?
This sucks like all get out!!!!!!!!!
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Mildly annoying
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Who cares, it's only weather
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This is kinda okay
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Man I love this S**t, bring it on!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Trump Administration is now walking back its position of "we are going to pull out of the Paris Accord". They are claiming that the withdrawal was never "set in stone".

Bullshit. Go back to page 42 in this thread when pulling out of the Paris Accord broke as a news story--the Trump Administration was firm in their commitment to get out of the Accord completely with no looking back. Now they are just backpedaling to try and save face.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why? Never thought he cared that much about "face."

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably not; I am just trying to find an explanation why their original position was x and now it is y.

Also, what changed behind the scenes to prompt them to want to stay in and/or renegotiate? There must be some money to be made somewhere.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, people are always saying climate change is big business. Very Happy Certainly money to be made for somebody when it comes to, for example, complying with standards...

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now this is just bullshit:

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And in northern Minnesota, a district court judge in Hubbard County has ruled that he will allow activists to present a so-called necessity defense when they go to trial on charges for turning off valves to an oil pipeline in a direct action protest last year. The activists, who say their decision to break the law was necessitated by the clear and present danger posed by global warming, will be allowed to call expert witnesses on climate change. Among those who may be called are former top NASA climate scientist James Hansen and 350.org founder Bill McKibben, who told the website Common Dreams, "The whole planet will be inside a single courtroom the day this trial begins. It's a rare chance to explain precisely why we need to act, and act now."


Climate change is a "clear and present danger"? Like I said, bullshit.

Charge them with trespassing and criminal mischief, give them their court hearing, but for pity's sake don't turn this trial into a platform for climate alarmists to make their case. By allowing this, the judge has opened a door--if the alarmists win this case, there will suddenly be hundreds of similar cases as emboldened alarmists sneak onto oil company property to shut off every valve they can find.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it's clear, and it's present, it's just not imminent. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now this is just bullshit:

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And in northern Minnesota, a district court judge in Hubbard County has ruled that he will allow activists to present a so-called necessity defense when they go to trial on charges for turning off valves to an oil pipeline in a direct action protest last year. The activists, who say their decision to break the law was necessitated by the clear and present danger posed by global warming, will be allowed to call expert witnesses on climate change. Among those who may be called are former top NASA climate scientist James Hansen and 350.org founder Bill McKibben, who told the website Common Dreams, "The whole planet will be inside a single courtroom the day this trial begins. It's a rare chance to explain precisely why we need to act, and act now."


Climate change is a "clear and present danger"? Like I said, bullshit.

Charge them with trespassing and criminal mischief, give them their court hearing, but for pity's sake don't turn this trial into a platform for climate alarmists to make their case. By allowing this, the judge has opened a door--if the alarmists win this case, there will suddenly be hundreds of similar cases as emboldened alarmists sneak onto oil company property to shut off every valve they can find.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly. Now, in this particular case, part of the "necessity" would be the defendants' admission that they shut off oil pipeline valves in order to help prevent climate change. Their reasoning will quickly collapse under this line of questioning:

Are you employed by an oil or pipeline company? (No.)

Do you have experience working "in the field" for an oil or pipeline company? (No.)

The valve which you shut off here (display a picture or video showing the defendant turning a valve wheel), do you know which pipeline it controls? (No.) Do you know which pipeline system it is part of? (No.) So you had no idea whether or not this particular valve was attached to part of a system which might be actively pumping oil? (Yes.)

Do you think oil leaks from pipelines are good for the environment? (No.) So you would state that they are *bad* for the environment? (Yes.)

Your Honor, the defendant claims that they acted out of "necessity" to prevent climate change but by their own admission they shut off a valve which could have, unbeknownst to them, caused an active pump system to fail, leading to a buildup in pressure, ultimately resulting in a burst pipe and an oil leak. Without knowing what they were doing, the defendant might have caused the very harm they were seeking to avoid.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ridiculous. Just because there is a consensus that the planet is warming (as it has been for centuries), doesn't mean there is a consensus that this will be dangerous ... much less "clear and present danger." It's not clear, and it's certainly not present. How can anyone possibly interpret their actions as preventing a "clear and present danger" if no one's life was saved by this action, or if no one would have been harmed if the action hadn't been taken?

The judge is either a moron, a leftist activist judge, or he wants to set a precedent that global warming alarmism is bullshit.
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