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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:17 pm    Post subject: Aesir: Is Caelyn creepy? Reply with quote

Having been scolded by the SomeFather, I hold my tongue, but is it fair that the adults who were also called down get to keep going and I have to be silent?

Yes, I know, "Children should be seen and not heard..."

Not fair. Pout!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never said you couldn't ever post. I don't want you, Menolly, and Erd running for a page at a time with the ridiculous conversations. As the three of you, in whichever of all your identities you used at the moment, have done elsewhere.

However, Caelyn is among the creepiest things I've ever seen at the Watch, so I wouldn't be upset if you never posted. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caelyn is creepy?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with that. Children of the Corn-like.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



I Love her regardless.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have to agree with that. Children of the Corn-like.


well put.
it was on the tip of my tongue for so long...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Children of the Corn?
You have got to be kidding...
Overstatement, much?

I could see Odin
Wanting to avoid clutter
(That never happens!)

But creepy? Really?
A disturbing Steve King tale?
Disproportionate!

What did Caelyn say
To prompt so much vitriol?
...Or is that not it?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have to agree with that. Children of the Corn-like.


So, I take it this is meant as a not-so-complimentary comment on my character. But as I have never seen the movie nor read the book, most of what is implied is soaring over my head, even though I searched brief plot synopses of the story. Anyone care to tell me what y'all are actually saying?

I honestly am not getting a creepy vibe from Caelyn and am not understanding the reference. Sad

As far as clutter goes, Caelyn has only posted a total of 6 times since being created a month ago (at least she was able to set a custom title). Her observations are brief and to the point. Whether others respond to her, leading to cluttering up this thread, like that would ever happen the way most in this game keep silent, remains to be seen, nu? Why prejudge?

As dw would say...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyone care to tell me what y'all are actually saying?

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Chafing? Oh, you mean the playtime that grown-ups like? [giggle] Yes, I know a little about that. Living in one-room huts, I see and hear things, and I talked to Mama about it. She and Papa are not hurting each other; it is just part of their Love.

Those words from a kid's mouth are strange. Precocious I get. Annoying I get. Saccharinely sweet... well, I think it's more of a convention, but I get it. But a kid talking that way about sex? It makes me feel unclean in a way that vast amounts of internet porn do not. (and I've never seen anyone under 17 properly use a semicolon, but I suppose that can slide Wink) I know that there's a fringe child-rearing movement that advocates that kind of thing, but as someone who still remembers waking up in my trailer at the age of 5 to the sound of my mom and her boyfriend... *shudder*

And really, I just don't understand the character. Maybe it's because I don't follow much outside of my results and what Odin posts, but I don't know where it came from or what its purpose is. Some child-like follower of a god, as far as I can tell (and mixing kids with religion always weirds me out). Switch Agape with He Who Walks Behind the Rows, and...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Menolly wrote:
Anyone care to tell me what y'all are actually saying?

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Chafing? Oh, you mean the playtime that grown-ups like? [giggle] Yes, I know a little about that. Living in one-room huts, I see and hear things, and I talked to Mama about it. She and Papa are not hurting each other; it is just part of their Love.

Those words from a kid's mouth are strange. Precocious I get. Annoying I get. Saccharinely sweet... well, I think it's more of a convention, but I get it. But a kid talking that way about sex? It makes me feel unclean in a way that vast amounts of internet porn do not. (and I've never seen anyone under 17 properly use a semicolon, but I suppose that can slide Wink) I know that there's a fringe child-rearing movement that advocates that kind of thing, but as someone who still remembers waking up in my trailer at the age of 5 to the sound of my mom and her boyfriend... *shudder*


Ah...
That explains it.

I have stuck with the "primitive" concept of Narie. Agapé's people sleep in one room huts, mostly. Of course children are exposed to couples copulating. From their birth they are exposed to it. Even if a couple waits until their child(ren) are asleep, there is no guarantee they will remain asleep. I am of the mind set that if sex is not treated as a negative or immoral thing, it isn't. But I can understand the misconception regarding a toddler thinking about it in that way in American society. Think "the family bed." Think the Earth's Children series by Auel. Then think about a toddler asking about it when they do see their parents engaging in it, no matter what the circumstances of how it happens. Children have walked in on their parents unexpectedly; I know I do not know anyone who locks their bedroom door at night, if there are young children asleep elsewhere in the house. The answer Caelyn gave is more preferable to me than for her to have been told "you didn't see it, you didn't hear it. you won't say nothing to no one ever in your life." I know it is not an acceptable means of parenting by everyone in the US. However, it is far more common in other societies throughout the world.

It is a good thing Narie is not America. Smile

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And really, I just don't understand the character. Maybe it's because I don't follow much outside of my results and what Odin posts, but I don't know where it came from or what its purpose is. Some child-like follower of a god, as far as I can tell (and mixing kids with religion always weirds me out). Switch Agape with He Who Walks Behind the Rows, and...

As far as where she came from...
That is easily learned here in the forum or should one interact with Agapé's followers. Even Odin has mentioned her in subtle ways for all to have known. She was created the typical way empowered children in these games tend to be created... Wink

Regardless, as I am told by certain characters who post in their character persona in the comments thread of these different games, by posting here Caelyn's comments are not game effecting. She is barred from having any game effect via posting, hence her not posting at all in the Game thread. Even more limiting than what I have done with Raucous when he posted in Pantheon. Her comments are more for fun for a different, unique POV than anything else.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have stuck with the "primitive" concept of Narie.

Primitive history also allows for rape and pillage. Doesn't make a character that engages in it more palatable.
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Of course children are exposed to couples copulating. From their birth they are exposed to it. Even if a couple waits until their child(ren) are asleep, there is no guarantee they will remain asleep.

I don't think that's a given. In some cultures, sure (some cultures eat the placenta following childbirth, so...). But I do not see any reason for it to be universal. Sex drive shares an inverse relationship to the number of children, more so if they're in the room, I imagine. It's easy enough (and common enough before the last 30 years) to just send the kid outside to play.
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I am of the mind set that if sex is not treated as a negative or immoral thing, it isn't. But I can understand the misconception regarding a toddler thinking about it in that way in American society.

With the use of "misconception," I have to call BS. Teenagers' understanding of sex is often flawed. Children are not mentally equipped to understand sex, only parrot and obey what they are told. Yes, kids can handle it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't screw with their heads in some way.
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Think the Earth's Children series by Auel.

Think Piers Anthony. Auel is only slightly less pervy, and only if you're not an archeologist. Seriously, though, Auel was engaging in feminist reconstruction. I do not think you can take her fiction as any kind of proof of what is right or moral.
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Then think about a toddler asking about it when they do see their parents engaging in it, no matter what the circumstances of how it happens.

Unless the kids are sitting there and watching or the parents are engaged in some kind of flagrant display (if so, I'd call that bad parenting), you tell them that they were hugging, giving a backrub, whatever. Something that kids can rationalize. Seems to work for everybody I've ever spoken to about it.
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I know I do not know anyone who locks their bedroom door at night, if there are young children asleep elsewhere in the house.

Seriously? Why else would interior doors have locks?
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The answer Caelyn gave is more preferable to me than for her to have been told "you didn't see it, you didn't hear it. you won't say nothing to no one ever in your life."

Well, yeah. That'd just be a weird thing to say. So who explained the chafing bit to her?
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However, it is far more common in other societies throughout the world.

Perhaps, but I'm pretty sure modesty is the norm. Americans excel at prudishness, granted, but we didn't invent it.
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As far as where she came from...

I wasn't inquiring. You wanted to know why people thought it was creepy, and I told you. I'm sure you have good reason for it, but that doesn't change how I feel about it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Accepted Syl. We will agree to disagree.
...now I really can not wait to see your reaction to part of my Acropolis turn once submitted...
I kid. I kid.
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...kinda.

Syl wrote:
So who explained the chafing bit to her?


The only thing I will say is that it is right there in Caelyn's post:

Caelyn wrote:
Chafing? Oh, you mean the playtime that grown-ups like? [giggle] Yes, I know a little about that. Living in one-room huts, I see and hear things, and I talked to Mama about it. She and Papa are not hurting each other; it is just part of their Love.


Mama is mentioned throughout that post. That is who Caelyn is asking. As it should be.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So 'Mama' would tell a kid about sex in enough detail that she'd understand chafing? Does she also understand lube and positioning?? (you're missing the point if you think I really want to know the answer)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aww, Syl.

Even Caelyn questioned the word usage in her reply.
She guessed (correctly, I admit) at what Erd was referring to by context. But no, until then she did not acquaint the word chafing with Mama's and Papa's "play."

...chafing was a euphemism supplied by Odin a ways back, by the way. I thought it was a hoot. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WHAT?????
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

er...

WHAT???? I am responsible for that? When did that happen?

For the love of Xar...

I didn't mean for it to be the catch-phrase of Agape, and certainly not of her 18-month old!
A very long time ago, Odin wrote:
Those who are in new relationships experience higher than normal desire, couplings, and chafing.
Couldn't have picked desire or coupling to be the Holy Word of Agape?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyway, like I said, I think Caelyn is creepy. I might not have gone as far as Children of the Corn. Probably more like, "Step into the light, children. All are welcome. All are welcome." But, again, that's not why I said anything. I just don't want to see you three run with your... silly conversations the way you have elsewhere.

So now we have this instead. How about we quit it? At least three of us think she's creepy. You're not gonna talk us out of it. Do we have to see it go on endlessly? Seriously, I'll split it into a "Is Caelyn creepy?" thread if it continues.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Odin wrote:
I didn't mean for it to be the catch-phrase of Agape,


Merely followed your lead in choice of words, SomeFather... Wink

Odin wrote:
and certainly not of her 18-month old!


...but...
Caelyn is not Agapé's toddler.
Let's not go confusing people here.

Odin wrote:
Anyway, like I said, I think Caelyn is creepy. I might not have gone as far as Children of the Corn. Probably more like, "Step into the light, children. All are welcome. All are welcome."


*shakes head*

Considering I left the choice of her gifts in your hands, and we still do not know what all they are; the fact that you find her creepy is interesting to me.
I look forward to learning even more about her! Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't find the Aesir character creepy.

And you can all continue on with this conversation without me now. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

<sigh> I go away for a little while, and Menolly gets bogged down in IC stuff, even though she's in an OOC thread. I see I should have posted as GK, so it was clear that I was saying that I as a real-life person am uncomfortable with what you, Menolly, as a real-life crazy person have invented with this character of yours.

Anything else you chose to say about it was all IC and only really went to demonstrate that you had put a lot of effort into making this creepy character a fully formed creepy character. Which in no way lessened the creepiness, it just showed how deeply disturbed you are. In real-life.

Not that I wouldn't, haven't, or won't again invent a pervy child character with all kinds of sick issues. I most certainly will. But I would never try to suggest that such a character was anything other than a monster with a broken psyche.
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