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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is some very intresting analysis regarding RotyH:

http://laurajmixon.com/2014/11/a-report-on-damage-done-by-one-individual-under-several-names/
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My god, she is definitively a Horrible Person. I can't believe what she has done isn't criminal. Thanks for that link, SS. Quite an interesting read.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My god, she is definitively a Horrible Person. I can't believe what she has done isn't criminal. Thanks for that link, SS. Quite an interesting read.
Have you also read some of the comments? I never knew the extent of her harassment.... up to the point of compelling authors to change their manuscript because they didn't meet her sensibilities!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean the time she was asked for an honest critique and gave it?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You mean the time she was asked for an honest critique and gave it?
I do not know, it was one example out of 30+ of documented harassment, so even if that one example is thrown out we still have a pretty disturbing portrait.

Not that you ever had to ask her to get an "honest" critique on anything... sometimes, she didn't even have to read it!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is some very intresting analysis regarding RotyH:

http://laurajmixon.com/2014/11/a-report-on-damage-done-by-one-individual-under-several-names/

Shocked Wow. What a piece of work this woman is...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is some very intresting analysis regarding RotyH:

http://laurajmixon.com/2014/11/a-report-on-damage-done-by-one-individual-under-several-names/

Shocked Wow. What a piece of work this woman is...
Assuming it is, after all, a woman and not some rich lawyer from L.A. with a stick up his ass about sci-fi authors pretending to be a lesbian Thai woman.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is a bit disturbing to is that the ripples from this appear to be spreading to hit others too.

This is Alex Dally MacFarlane's response to Ms. Mixon's allegations:

http://www.alexdallymacfarlane.com/2014/11/lies-misrepresentations-and-reports/
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another account of BS/RH's activities:

http://www.starshipnivan.com/blog/?p=9077
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A defense of RH/BS, or an attack on those who refuse to see RH/BS as a victim too:

http://silence-without.blogspot.com.au/2014/11/the-long-campaign-against-racism-bogged.html?m=1
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not so much a defense, as it is a calling out of those who only criticise RH/BS, along with other things that have happened surrounding that issue. I'd say the post (which I read a couple days back) is not something I entirely agree with* but it's a perspective that is important to look at.


*Not that I'm in a position to speak on such things.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Murrin,

It is an interesting perspective. My problem is the way the author refuses to name RH/BS and only refers to her as "the Victim". It's a rhetorical method to distance RH/BS from what she did. Further, she is, to my mind, twisting the narrative. Suggesting that those coming out and telling their stories about their run in's RH/BS and her cohorts are somehow on par with RH/BS in doing what she did.

Respectfully to Tessa, RH/BS being a "POC" in no way excuses or diminishes what she did for going on a decade.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A defense of RH/BS, or an attack on those who refuse to see RH/BS as a victim too:

http://silence-without.blogspot.com.au/2014/11/the-long-campaign-against-racism-bogged.html?m=1


I couldn't finish it. So much anger ...

You know, I got through about half of that and my thought was "how come I never get invited to the White meetings where it's decided who gets the racist/sexist treatment this month?" There's a lot of talk of hegemony among the white power structure, and maybe at the top end there is, but there doesn't seem to be much room in this woman's world view for the idea of a white male who genuinely doesn't give a damn what colour your skin is, or which gender you like to suck face with.

As much as I can understand the feelings leading up to that world view, that's some of the stuff that has to change before true progress can be made. After all, what good is fighting for equality only to be among those you despise?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A defense of RH/BS, or an attack on those who refuse to see RH/BS as a victim too:

http://silence-without.blogspot.com.au/2014/11/the-long-campaign-against-racism-bogged.html?m=1


I couldn't finish it. So much anger ...

You know, I got through about half of that and my thought was "how come I never get invited to the White meetings where it's decided who gets the racist/sexist treatment this month?" There's a lot of talk of hegemony among the white power structure, and maybe at the top end there is, but there doesn't seem to be much room in this woman's world view for the idea of a white male who genuinely doesn't give a damn what colour your skin is, or which gender you like to suck face with.

As much as I can understand the feelings leading up to that world view, that's some of the stuff that has to change before true progress can be made. After all, what good is fighting for equality only to be among those you despise?
What's really bizarre is that RH's targets, according to the report posted above, are principally women... with a statistically significant emphasis on women of colour!

If you are campaigning against male whitie and you turn out to mostly harm vulnerable women of colour, something is wrong with your tactics.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is from Mark Lawrence the Author of Prince of Thorns:

http://mark---lawrence.blogspot.com/2014/11/punching-up.html
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is from Mark Lawrence the Author of Prince of Thorns:

http://mark---lawrence.blogspot.com/2014/11/punching-up.html
Which brings up a good point: now that the pendulum is swinging the other way, how should we treat RH? Eye-for-an-eye? Boycott?

It's good to have an understanding of what is going on, but it might do more good to engage in more "positive" protest. One doesn't need to join in a mob to drive RH out of SFF writing... and frankly, if she isn't using her energies in writing fiction what's to stop her returning to her previous activities?

Something better might be to check out the works of authors who had been affected, even if you never plan on checking out RH's writings.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orlion wrote:
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SerScot wrote:
A defense of RH/BS, or an attack on those who refuse to see RH/BS as a victim too:

http://silence-without.blogspot.com.au/2014/11/the-long-campaign-against-racism-bogged.html?m=1


I couldn't finish it. So much anger ...

You know, I got through about half of that and my thought was "how come I never get invited to the White meetings where it's decided who gets the racist/sexist treatment this month?" There's a lot of talk of hegemony among the white power structure, and maybe at the top end there is, but there doesn't seem to be much room in this woman's world view for the idea of a white male who genuinely doesn't give a damn what colour your skin is, or which gender you like to suck face with.

As much as I can understand the feelings leading up to that world view, that's some of the stuff that has to change before true progress can be made. After all, what good is fighting for equality only to be among those you despise?
What's really bizarre is that RH's targets, according to the report posted above, are principally women... with a statistically significant emphasis on women of colour!

If you are campaigning against male whitie and you turn out to mostly harm vulnerable women of colour, something is wrong with your tactics.
I know. That's the problem I'm having in trying to figure out what's really going on.

I think it may ultimately have more to do with anger management issues than with any specific targets.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've said it before. She's just a troll. Talented, maybe (I don't plan to find out), but you still deal with her like any other: remove her access when you can and ignore her when you can't. You can only kill a troll by starving it.

For instance, she said in Mark Williams' review, "Oh my. Look at the subhuman little turd utterly flipping out! Truly, my friends, I blog for this." Take away her raison d'etre, and she ceases to be.

Personally, I can find neither sympathy nor animosity for the person behind the masks. You get what you give.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wildling wrote:
SerScot wrote:
A defense of RH/BS, or an attack on those who refuse to see RH/BS as a victim too:

http://silence-without.blogspot.com.au/2014/11/the-long-campaign-against-racism-bogged.html?m=1


I couldn't finish it. So much anger ...

You know, I got through about half of that and my thought was "how come I never get invited to the White meetings where it's decided who gets the racist/sexist treatment this month?" There's a lot of talk of hegemony among the white power structure, and maybe at the top end there is, but there doesn't seem to be much room in this woman's world view for the idea of a white male who genuinely doesn't give a damn what colour your skin is, or which gender you like to suck face with.

As much as I can understand the feelings leading up to that world view, that's some of the stuff that has to change before true progress can be made. After all, what good is fighting for equality only to be among those you despise?
Good points. I also found it ironic that this person claims People of Color are not 'monolith' or 'legion,' and then in the next breath talks about white people as a 'hegemony,' as if we're all tied into the power structure, and we're all the same. This is just a racist rant against white people. It's worthless, hateful trash.

Perhaps I'm just naive, but I can't imagine that an industry which makes money off the written word is as invested in skin color as these haters would like us to believe. Skin color and sex is the last thing on my mind when I purchase a book. Many of the books I read are by people I've never even seen, not even in a photograph.
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