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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the cops wonder why people distrust them...

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose your point of view determines whether this latest development in North Dakota qualifies as "militarization".

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In North Dakota, hundreds of heavily armed police with military hardware raided a resistance camp established by Native American water protectors in the path of the proposed $3.8 billion Dakota Access pipeline. On Thursday afternoon, over 100 officers in riot gear with automatic rifles lined up across North Dakota's Highway 1806, flanked by armored personnel carriers, a sound cannon, Humvees driven by National Guardsmen, an armored police truck and a bulldozer. Water protectors say police deployed tear gas, pepper spray, Tasers, concussion grenades and bean bag rounds against the Native Americans, and shot rubber bullets at their horses.

Tara Houska: "The police are protecting and serving a pipeline, and protecting fossil fuel profits over human beings. They're macing people. They're [bleep] tasing them in the face."

Water Protector: "Lock arms! Lock arms! Lock up!"

Water protectors used cars to blockade a highway, and set fire to hay bales and tires. Police arrested two people they accused of firing gunshots. Four people locked themselves to a truck parked in the middle of the highway in efforts to stop the police advance. At least 141 people were arrested. Dakota Access pipeline company cranes and bulldozers were active just behind the police line, on the site of the tribal burial ground where Dakota Access security guards unleashed dogs on Native Americans on September 3.


There was a story just yesterday about the security company who used those dogs, that they were not licensed to operate in North Dakota and has mismanaged/misused the dogs against the protestors.

They want to protect the environment, which I suppose explains why they set fire to tires.

The primary question for me is whether this company really is engaging in construction on Native burial land. If so, did they legally obtain the rights to carry out their activities?

There is another group of protesters currently occupying Clinton's campaign headquarters, where she has refused to meet with them.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the whole thing is a mess, I distrust the company involved. but that is just a distrust of all such companies. they seem to have legal right to be doing what they are doing.

but I find it odd that liberals were against the Bundy group but for the protesters in this case. aren't they both basically after the same thing?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liberals dislike the Bundy folks because those folks are pro-gun.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Liberals dislike the Bundy folks because those folks are pro-gun.


it is really that simple? that is just stupid, they are fighting for the same thing!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most people never think beyond a headline, a sound byte, or a 15-second-long "also in the news" blurb they see on some website. Technically both groups are fighting back against the corporatocracy--yes, we have government by corporation these days--mismanaging the land or taking away private citizens' rights to it but because the Bundy folks are believers in the Second Amendment any self-professed liberal or progressive must automatically dislike them on principle.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another instance where police failed to successfully de-escalate a situation, resulting in the death of the subject.

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In New York City, a man has died after being repeatedly tased by an NYPD sergeant. Police say they arrived at 49-year-old Ariel Galarza's apartment on Wednesday after someone reported seeing a man who was emotionally disturbed holding a knife. When the police arrived, Galarza did not have a knife, but the police say he threatened them with an unbroken glass bottle. Sergeant William Melrose repeatedly tased Galarza, who died from cardiac arrest later that night.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems like there's almost no will to come to a non-violent solution.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At this rate, it is only a matter of time before anything that isn't a "routine traffic stop" becomes a "potentially deadly situation" resulting in a police response of "shoot first; ask questions later". I put "routine traffic stop" in quotes because sometimes those situations are also "potentially deadly".
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was gonna say, routine traffic stops are treated as potentially deadly situations. (And to be fair, they sometimes are.)

That's what that article by the cop I posted a while back was basically about...cops are trained to assume that everything is a potentially deadly situation, so that's how they react, no mater what is actually happening.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of routine traffic stops being deadly, there was a routine traffic stop just outside San Antonio Police Headquarters when a as-yet-unknown perpetrator pulled up, walked to the squad car, reached in, and shot a police officer in the head twice.

No...wait...it appears they did catch up to him. Otis Tyrone McKane was arrested in a suburb of San Antonio in connection with the shooting. The story says no motive yet but it sounds like he just wanted to kill a cop.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Hashi Lebwohl"]Another instance where police failed to successfully de-escalate a situation, resulting in the death of the subject.


I am certain being cut with a broken bottle would hurt and likely kill you.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't we outfit police with tranq guns like vets get to use? Certainly there is a pharmaceutical which could be used that renders a human being asleep enough to be compliant and/or manageable without risking nervous system damage or cardiac problems. Start with vecuonium bromide but you would probably have to find a safer alternative as this compound can paralyze the diaphragm, resulting in suffocation.

Of course--now I find the main page for muscle relaxants.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too variable...you'd have to calculate each dose based on the individual, and any unknown medical conditions / whatever could easily render it fatal.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, I know this isn't what we usually mean by the militarisation of the police...but interesting...

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Military-Trained Police May Be Less Hasty To Shoot, But That Got This Vet Fired

In Afghanistan, the rules of engagement sometimes were stricter than use-of-force rules for civilian police in America...

...In Weirton, Mader still had those wartime rules in mind. The Marines had taught him to wait for clear hostile intent before opening fire, something he didn't see from Williams.

"For me, it wasn't enough to kind of take someone's life because they're holding a gun that's not pointed at me," Mader said.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An article from Vocativ detailing who has Stingrays (cell phone tower spoofers), broken down by local police department and county sheriff's office.

Note: if someone manages to spoof your phone then law enforcement officials will come after you, not them.

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I have to verify this but I heard on the radio this morning that the Trump Administration (or was is the Texas Legislature? *shrug* someone) is also looking in creating/expanding programs to hire veterans as police officers. On the one hand, veterans typically already come with some training and can be expected to uphold their duties professionally. On the other hand, taking someone who might be suffering from PTSD, giving them a gun, and putting them in stressful situations might be a recipe for disaster. Presumably case-by-case evaluations will determine those who are able to handle the situation.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta say that in light of the article I posted above, I don't see it as a bad thing, with the possible exception of your PTSD point. One would assume that people suffering therefrom wouldn't be candidates though.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damnit, haven't these idiotic police officers learned anything yet?

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In Georgia, two police officers have been fired after cellphone video emerged of them punching and kicking an African-American student who was handcuffed. The cellphone video shows them kicking 21-year-old African-American student Demetrius Hollins in the head as he was handcuffed on the ground, after they stopped him while he was driving.


I don't care what he did before these events, once he got handcuffed you are in control of the situation so kicking him was not necessary.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And this shit is why people don't trust the police.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just when I thought civil asset forfeiture was a thing of the past, the Justice Department decided to revive the practice.

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The Justice Department said this week it will allow state and local police departments to seize cash and property from people suspected of crimes--even if they haven't been convicted. Attorney General Jeff Sessions says the policy, called "civil asset forfeiture," is an important tool for fighting crime. The practice was largely ended by the Obama administration after investigations showed local police routinely stopped drivers for minor traffic infractions and seized billions of dollars' worth of property. In some cases, departments used the assets to pay for luxury cars and high-powered weapons. The ACLU has called civil asset forfeiture a violation of due process that disproportionately targets communities of color.


If the police pull you over and discover you are carrying a large amount of cash, they could presume that you are carrying it because you are planning on doing something illegal with it, seize the money, arrest you on suspicion of x, then detain you until you post bail or--conveniently--sign away the money, at which point they will let you go.

That isn't justice, it's robbery (commonly called a shakedown).

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