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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:21 pm    Post subject: TLD Part II Chapter 1: A Tale which Will Remain Reply with quote

A scene of Thomas and Linden lovey-doveying heralds the beginning of Part II. They snooze together in the novel Forestal’s bower, but in due course become prodded awake by the snufflings of a pack of voyeuristic horses nickering at their sauna suits. Well...the grassy patch around the willow perchance serves as the sole supplier of steed-sustenance within kilometers, but even so. Naughty, naughty horsies! Tut.

Linden has obtained contentedness after a hurly-burly of adventures shaking the foundations of the entire existence. Thus has the author sunk the armada of a certain flagitious fan cult, and at least during the course of this chapter the flailing accusers cannot discover so much as a twig to support them: she does not whine, she does not brood, ‘tis a whole new revolutionary mood! Since when have we beheld the angsty doctor muffling titters akin to some tipsy teenager? Eons, eons agone in Andelain after espying overenthusiastic Giants playacting sword-sheathing behind every bush large enough to hide a tractor, and of course when she hugger-mugger emptied Grueburn’s hipflask of emergency diamondraught, and as a result witnessed a fleet of airborne unicorns farting rainbows. But the latter is a story for another night...

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This sensation that he [Thomas] had vindicated her, body and soul, was more profound than her fatigue. It felt numinous and ineffable: a homecoming of the spirit. Every part of him had become as precious to her as a sunrise.
Melodies gemmed the leaves overhead as if they had been set in place to watch over her and Covenant.
Groaning softly, Covenant blinked his eyes open. When his gaze found Linden, he tried to smile: an awkward twist of his mouth. In the delicate light of the Forestal’s music, the pale scar on his forehead seemed to glow. It might have been a nascent anadem, and old wound that was slowly becoming a crown.


Love suits them both, delivering traits that on a regular day skulk beneath strata of condensed self-accusation and unworth. In a sense the keener reader can exhale a puff of easement at this development. On another level, we are witnessing a crucial progress-step along an ongoing transformation: the anti-heroes shed their soiled plumage bit by bit, ascending towards a godhood--mayhap a demi-such--to join into an eventual trinity. One must observe that this concept does not inherently attach itself to christianity, even if readers oft descry definite Biblical themes within the narrative. Many ancient religions, such as the Greek, Roman, Egyptian, even Norse sported tripartite deities. The Egyptian Isis (mother)-Osiris (father)-Horus (son) corresponds to this specimen better than the most common example.

Here we can list qualities that complement one another: Time and Creation - Healing and Love - Structure and Dimensions, or an aspected Water (Linden) - Earth (Jeremiah) - Fire (Covenant). In the ancient Indo-European cultures, mortal destiny was commonly depicted as a tightbound triple. If we apply the concept to the Chronicles, it grants a whole new meaning to the Swordmainnir bearing the fate of the Earth in their arms while running from hazard to jeopardy. Another Norse mythology allusion peeks from behind a mossy boulder here: the Wyrds upon those cold shores are Jötunheimish Giantesses.

While the wretches from the worlds beyond the Arch of Time indeed do not view themselves as aught transcendental, one must recall that the Haruchai yet worship Covenant, and that even the Giants revere these beings outliving their mighty millennia. As cliché as it might clang, they furthermore gain new markings along the way. The leper messiah’s ancient headwound, now an allegorical crown, bleeds argence. Caer-Caveral’s pine-scented super-detergent annihilated the bloody grass stains from Linden’s jeans. Ooh, what shall befall to the still somewhat confused cub? Will the much-depicted, begrimed horsies gain sentience and become a new brood of Jerehyn?

Ere we bounce back into the bower, let us track back a soupcon of pages and peek at other mythological imports. The treewarder of Ragnarökkr revealed that his plant was a willow. This tree is associated with water and sorceries involved with the element. The author has several times remarked upon Linden’s fate being writ in water; an apt connection here. Out of the thickets, a wild music connection prances forth as well. The wood was a popular material for the sound boxes of harps, and the famous Orpheus received his, well, orphic skills from the tree itself by carrying such branches in the mystic confines of the underworlds. Thus do the poets hallow the willow. In Ye Oldendays, some Baltic Finns believed that Vanemuine or Väinämöinen sang the flora into existence from the gray soil with his runesongs and the aid of his magical kannel.

One of the major symbolisms of the willow pertains to fertility. While Caerwood’s bower--or more akin to a holy grove, hörgr, hiisi--blows into the cooling ashes of hope, Linden and Covenant’s union and the subsequent lovemaking cement the possibility of new vitality. In the Norse mythology, a duo of humans hight Líf (life) and Lífþrasir (lover of life) survive the Twilight of the Gods by hiding within the World Tree, and revitalise the existence of their race ensuing the recreation of the Nine Worlds. Personally I was able to guess the outcome of the entire tome based on folklore parallels, and I must animadvert that this holy tree-husband-wife-triangle reaffirmed my expectations during the first read. Moreover, the realms of Nordic gods and mortals share the same cyclical feature. A few additional clues may crouch behind the very character names. Linden, as even a lobotomized starfish with a botany book at his or her disposal would ken, is a type of tree. Embodying love and fertility both in Germanic and East Baltic cultures, for instance Estonian women worshiped this vegetative form of THOOLAH’s ire. The etymology remains irresolute, but linden and lund (holy grove) may sprout from the same root. Readers can tie together the meaning of this bundle of conceptions.

The willow’s luxuriance has germinated even more legends over the millennia, one of which concerns serpents, these winsome wrigglers the cousin of which contrives to gobble the Land. While in ancient Greece branches of thereof were stuck into the beds of barren women to coax serpents to squirm aboard (phallic symbolism), this belief was eventually capsized and thereafter the tree became a protection against serpents. Later during the chapter, we shall discover that the author has handpicked his mythofigures.

One final espial about Mahrtiir: In all sooth, the name reads “martyr”. In a fashion, he surrendered his sight to gain puissant, eldritch lore and his “heart’s desire” during the succeeding transformation. Óðinn purchased the right to drink the mead of wisdom by tossing a single eyeball into the jötunn Mímir’s well. What the well did with this optic oddment still mystifies audiences. Or did Mímir mayhap fish out the treat and enjoy it together with pickled onions?

Well, let us leave the jötunn to his singular fancies and return to ex-Mahrtiir’s micro-paradise. The company has reached a much-required respite from the turmoils of the eschaton. Now Linden and Covenant clamber out of their cuddlyburrow to greet the others. Along the way, she observes that the hubby’s health has deteriorated, yet akin to the haruheads, he refuses a healing, reiterating his necessity for numbness. Why do you think this is so important to him?

Upon sighting the coo-coo pigeons, the Giantesses beam with friskiness and restored energies, but Jeremiah...a hodgepodge of jarring desires that strikes her health-sense akin to a kitten being flayed. During the fane-fashioning, incremental improvements illuminated the priorly black chasms of his mind, but now it appears that most such light has been extinguished.

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The emotions clenched inside him showed in his aura. He could smile because she had come back for him, and because she and Covenant were finally united--and because he had been able to sleep. But the effects of Kastenessen’s possession persisted: he did not know how to relieve them. And he had accomplished his one purpose. In the aftermath, he had lost the eagerness of his talent, the excitement which had driven and protected him.


Linden wishes to tunnel her way into the kernel of his agitation, but briefly the mirthful Swordmainnir claim her attention. Something in Coldspray’s cheer struck me as interesting:

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“To behold you and Linden Giantfriend as you are does not test my heart. It gives only joy.”


The Giants cannot envy or feel scorn, can they? In spite of an underlying somberness revealed in Kindwind’s deep-digging sagacity about all endeavor equaling dust and Honninscrave’s grim-manliness, a geysir of grumbles about the bloody humans humping one another while her foolish kin toils ooon and ooon beneath the fraying skies does not erupt from the Ironhand’s lips.

The adventurers ascertain that an hour must lapse ere Jörmungandr shall bounce to feast on the flesh of the Land: plenty of time for some mother-son bonding, and hopefully a morsel of enlightening chat about screws and nuts and the functionality of the masculine toolkit as well, so that Giantish jests would unfold their significance. Furthermore it seems that Branl and Stave have decided to reconnect their mindlink. Behold, a proper humbling has bechanced!
In any event, Linden and Jeremiah must talk.

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As far as she knew, a sense of purpose was all that had defended him against the cost of his emotional wounds. Now he had nothing to build--and perhaps nothing to hope for.
If so, she knew that feeling. But she had her faith in Covenant to steady her. And long ago, she had been assured, You will not fail--She wanted to share those gifts with Jeremiah if she could. They were better than despair.


Jeremiah’s temple, where Linden leads the lad, resembles his psyche. If in dreamscenes the house reflects the self, then indeed the author has constructed an apt likeness.

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Inside the construct, she found bare dirt between crooked walls supporting a ceiling that looked like it might fall on her at any moment. Gaps among the stones let patches of Caerwood ur-Mahrtiir’s shining into the gloom, but that glow did not lift the shadows from Jeremiah’s mien. He might have been little more than an emblem of the deeper night awaiting the Earth.


The mama bear wishes to teach her cub a lesson about the meaning of secrets and trust. She shoves herself on his level to prove they both shiver in the same sinking ship; in fact, Covenant would huddle in the aft, even if Linden chooses to regard his determination unvanquishable and capacity unfathomable. By rousing the Worm, she introduced the Lindämmerung upon the Earth. She is neither a goddess unerring nor a mighty dís capable of weaving all fates into a perfect tapestry. Still she must attempt amends, and not plummet headlong into the delusion of uselessness. At the same time we return to the old theme of too much power foiling and imprisoning the wielder in the forthcoming dialogue.

Of course, none of this would perhaps have occurred, had she had been content over rousing tamer snakes back in the the realm of inept sheriffs and inane Joans, but her continual coveting for Covenant surpassed any further amatory relationships…

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“I’m more like you than you think. There were a lot of things that I refused to talk about. I kept them secret. That hurt me, of course, but I could live with it. The part that I didn’t understand, was that I hurt my friends at the same time.
They feel like they protect us--like we don’t have to be ashamed of our secrets, or ashamed of ourselves, as long as no one knows about them. We tell ourselves that we’re doing the right thing by keeping them. But that isn’t true. Mostly we keep them because we don’t trust ourselves. We really are ashamed. We think we’re at fault and we’re going to be condemned, or that we’re weak when everyone else is strong, or that we actually deserve to be in pain and alone.”


Not only should Jeremiah extract lessons and wisdom from these paragraphs, but also the readers. This, and Kindwind’s aforementioned speech in chapter 9. have struck me as some of the more profound parts of the book; how about you?

Alas, in real life the unleashing of old demons or total sincerity in everything can shatter relationships one imagined as sturdy. Some cannot deal with the idea of suicide or mental illness of any ilk--then again one must inquire if such fellows themselves were ever constructed of the right friendship particles or if some clandestineness of their own inhibits them from accepting the confessions of another. One regrets the fact that the equivalents of Giants rarely exist in our demesne--beings that neither judge nor spite.

Linden’s unbosoming makes Jeremiah stumble.

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Hearing his mother accuse herself made him feel threatened. For years, she had been his foundation. Now he could not be sure of her.


Still, she plows on, reaching out into the deepest ravines of her fault. How do you think all this will affect Jeremiah’s character arc? He is expected to grow up in a figurative five minutes--much like Davies Hyland in a diverse multiverse--and at the same time learn to master Earthpower and other esoteric wossnames.

Back to the mother’s ghost army:

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“I kept it secret because I was afraid that my friends would interfere. I didn’t trust them enough to believe that they would understand, or that they would still be my friends if they knew the truth. [. . .] We’re in this mess right now because I kept secrets.”


So, during the Second Chronicles and the forthcoming years converging towards Runes, Linden never fully learned the lesson of trust. There is a passage somewhere in AATE where she doubts the reliability Grueburn--quite a slight against the Swordmain’s care and love, particularly after multiple skurjfests and fleeing from She Who Must Not! Had the warrior wished to rid herself of the burden, she could have flung the flea-sized female into the Bane’s maw instead of scuttling on all fours through the tunnels of the Lost Deep akin to a peculiar spider.

Well, better backtrack one’s missteps later than never. Jeremiah begins to thaw, and imparts to mommy some of the Kasty-nasties. Just as Linden feels ashamed of her secrets, the boy is ashamed of his seeming worthlessness and the revelment in destruction.

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“He reached out and took me like I was nothing. Good for nothing. Useless.”


The revelation about possession shocks Linden, yet she fathoms the flavor of the experience, having both intruded upon a person’s mind and been mentally raped herself. Jeremiah’s insistence of his futilely otiose unavailingness however heats up her temper.

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Without pausing to consider what she said, Linden snapped, “That’s how I feel. I’ve already used up everything I know how to do. [. . .] It doesn’t matter how much power I have because I have no idea what to do with it.”


Regrettably, her confessions do not console the son. We are left with an imbalance of roiling sentiments, the final direction of which remains to be seen.

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His struggle was terrible to watch. [. . .] Sharing herself, Linden had not reassured him, she had precipitated a crisis which he had been fighting to avoid. But he also had reason to know that safety was a trap: that every sanctuary was also a prison.


Meanwhile, the World Serpent...ah, how many a time have I repeated this? Anyhow, the heroes must escape and post-Mahrtiir begin his Forbidding ritual. During my dictionary-digging ventures, I found a synonym for the root term “to forestall”, which the author has encased into a plant-y pun by dropping a single L. It means “to forbid”. Hence, Caerwood does not merely master this power, but is the power, just as Covenant embodies the essence of wild magic. However, the task necessitates some instruments or catalysts, just as Covenant can activate his full potential through the krill: the essential staff of strength and Linden’s blessing. Observe that he does not request a boon from the Timewarden or the Elohim-deliverer. His substance will thrive neither on leprous molecules nor random structures in pocket dimensions, but on something else.

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Caerwood ur-Mahrtiir unfurled ancient tunes around him, verse and refrain. “This invoked bourne of verdure and health is small. By the measure of the world’s end, it is little more than vainglory. But I will not have it so. I will not. Here stands the forgotten truth of wood, just as the fane which preserves the Elohim expresses another truth also forgotten. While my bourne endures, it affirms that the Worm and death are not the sum of all things. Bless this beauty with your strength. Nourish it, so that I may suffice in its defense.”


Fertility and healing and love. Bottled Essence of Linden™ to effectuate its proper purpose instead of being wasted on self-loathing. Here the reader can see one of the major themes of the series in mini-action.

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Then she reached into herself, and brought forth Earthpower and Law for their intended purpose: not for battle and killing, but for sustenance and restoration. Her health-sense guided her, first into recognition of the thetic nature of the Forestal’s harmonies, then into awareness of their interplay, then into the sensitivity to their tones and timbres. [. . .] She went deep into the dirt to fill it with Earthpower, feed every requesting root. Baked and beaten earth she enriched until it became loam. From the soil, she brought Law and energy upward, encouraging sluggish sap, enhancing the hardiness of bark, suffusing boughs and twigs and leaves with anticipation. Among the branches, she added luster to the Forestal’s gleams until they shone like refined stars.


Everything then bursts into glory, defying the brooding destruction. Coldspray slices off a bough from Caerwillow with the effort of cutting ripe cheese, and presents the gift to the Forestal. Now, he has armed and armored himself; towers ready to oppose havoc. The rest of the party flees, and outside the oasis alights upon the worm-storm, a phenomenon blood-curdling and marrow-freezing to behold!

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It was enormous.
During the night, the blast of presage had reconciled its confusion. Instead of writhing from one direction to another like a beast in agony, it had become a stiff assault; a gale arising from the heart of the utter blackness that now loomed into the heavens like the front of an atmospheric tsunami. Eerie ululations like the anguish of ghouls sounded in the distance. Scourged gusts scooped groans from the craters that littered the ground; scaled into wailing on the ragged edges of the belabored ridge.
The core was a blare of might that defied perception: too loud to be heard, too dark for vision; too savage to register as anything except horror. But at the fringes of the Worm’s approach, thunder crashed, a wild barrage like a convulsion that would never end. It seethed like the collapse of cliffs. Within it, armies of lightning stalked the plain, hammering the earth until the very dirt seemed to erupt and burn. Sudden and erratic, flashes lurid as bruises punctuated the blackness. On either side of the advance, desolations writhed like orgies, articulating the Worm’s hunger.


I shall not speculate further over SRD’s familiarity with “writhing orgies”, but laud him for another piece of poetic perdition. The torrent of thunderstrokes reminds me of the shooting scene in ROTE, however. Coincidence or something deliberate?

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Lightning flared and yowled, accelerating towards a crisis. Fangs hung poised for violence in every strike. Static mounted in the air. The wind gusted like a wail torn from the throat of the night.


Foul’s fanged flashes accompany Linden and Jeremiah into death in the real world, and the Worm’s fanged flashes into oblivion in the Land? Whatever the similarity, the escapers stand spellbound enough afore the bombardment of energies not to sense the approach of eight running Giantesses. We are talking about anything between five to seven thousand kilos of mass pounding the ground, a tremble that should make horses stumble and small rocks bounce up and down. Since when did the titans turn into feather-fairies?

In any event, the group goads itself into a gallop, forsaking the almost pathetic form of the Forestal. Ah, what will betide him?

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Small against the background of the bright willow, Caerwood stood before the blast. It wrenched at him, tried to shred his robe. Shafts of lightning marched closer with every heartbeat. Gales tore the branches of his staff. With music and wood, he opposed the dark as if he had within him the authority to deny annihilation.


And, behold, for he is not a mere windchime!

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He sang, and refused to be silenced. The Worm’s tumult was less than a league away, less than half a league, and still he stood. He was more than Caerwood ur-Mahrtiir. He was also Manethrall Mahrtiir, given to service. He refused as if his No could sway away even the unthinking appetite of the World’s End.


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“Linden Avery!” Somehow Stave made himself heard through the chaos of running and winds, lightning and thunder. “Chosen, attend!” The Forestal succeeds! The Worm slows!”
Linden stared in disbelief. The Forestal could not--
He could.
The Worm was slowing down. And slowing more and more as the Forestal’s denial stiffened.


Without crafting any double-entendres out of the last observation, Covenant commences a krill-circle, and the company vanishes into dimensions unsung without witnessing the outcome.

What an episode! A tale which will remain, indeed.

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SRD’s dictionary menu:

Bedizened: dress up garishly and tastelessly
nascent anadem: a commencing garland
virulent: extremely poisonous
truculent: defiantly aggressive
spavied: (of horses) afflicted with a swelling of the hock-joint
thetic: dogmatic
fuligin: a hypothetical colour darker than black, aka blacker than the blackest black times infinity. Is SRD a Metalocalypse fan?
epiphany: a divine manifestation
cynosure: something that attracts attention and admiration
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a Hoot!,,That was joy to the ears to read Frosty! Fun!

To add..once again Donaldson starts off with, coming out of sleep,,and slowly building a nightmare, from that point on. Classic SRD in establishing this fantasy world as believable at first and then at some point ..imagination, metaphor, allegory, etc. For me, Donaldson's knack for blending the two realities creates a third,,and sure enough,,by end of chapter,,off they go , time and space tripping. Like..dreaming you are falling then right before you hit the ground , wake up, and then swear that the mattress springs were squeaking from hitting it so hard..The author adds this extra dimension , other reality, in this lead off chapter for part two, suggesting to me,,things could get a bit kaleidoscopic from here on in, if any one thought part one was easy.

again, I feel,,that damn worm is Us..the reader , with every word read inching closer and closer to the World's End, the end of the book, the end of the Last Chrons, the end of TCoTC..The author slows Us down with his words, his magic spell, and gives his be loved Company the chance to draw a door on the wall, and escape to another reality;Self -referential to say the least. and yet..how many nightmares have you had of being relentlessly pursued,,?

Anyway,,the Elohim don't die. As much as I would not have mind, the author doesn't snuff'em out. So, already we have a hint of the future . With 20-20 hindsight, the saving of the Elohim at end of this chapter is huge. All that came before has succeeded,been validated,and all that happens forward, is colored however so lightly , by this act of saving the Elohim.


Yes, the lightning and hurly burly that accompanies the Worm..As a motif it works well, Sure, that hollow scene in ROTE was batt-schitt crazy. And the lightning crazed atmosphere in this chapter , terrifying for any who where too close to the tree or flag pole on a stormy day. Yet ur-mahr stands it up..I guess he wasn't close enough to get knocked on his butt. But yea..words..wondrous words stop the Worm.

Again the author brings up that point of..recycling, so to speak..Not the definitive, but the mobius strip..for an End, there is to be a beginning..as you put it Frosty, The Bottled Essence of Linden.( i must learn how to do that Trade Mark thing ).The " Tale" remains because it doesn't end...hhhmm..Horses have tails. Horse have manes..They are at different ends of the horse...kinda loopy I kno..but so much of this chapter,,has the horses prodding the characters to get moving..instincts.

Yea, a great chapter with lots of cliff hanging and suspense..and some serious reflection on ,,words not said,,and words said..

..Thanks Frosty! a joy to read, indeed.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks lurchy. Very Happy
The approach of the Worm in this and chapter 5 are some of the most hair-raising scenes in the volume. I still deem the author inserted a non-subtle double-entendre into chapter 5’s title, thought.

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again, I feel,,that damn worm is Us..the reader , with every word read inching closer and closer to the World's End, the end of the book, the end of the Last Chrons, the end of TCoTC...


Yes the allegorical nature of the Chrons allows one to attach many a meaning to Wormy. Readers, SRD’s own ripe age, the fate of humanity and apples...

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Anyway,,the Elohim don't die. As much as I would not have mind, the author doesn't snuff'em out. So, already we have a hint of the future .


I would toss the previous creation of a new Forestal into the basket of clues. While eldritch, blasphemous puissances of utter abomination and grotesqueness gnaw at the essence of existence from the other end, the opposers of destruction leave little glimmers of hope at their wake. Kasty Skurjlord’s redemption serving as another such.

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( i must learn how to do that Trade Mark thing ).The " Tale" remains because it doesn't end...hhhmm..Horses have tails. Horse have manes..They are at different ends of the horse...kinda loopy I kno..


Main tale? Mane tail? A horse eating its own tail like an ouroboros? We have autocannibalistic equines in this chapter? Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just read this all the way through while eating lunch - very good! It's also very interesting to me as I just starting re-reading The One Tree, and the thing I had forgotten was how the narrative switched to Linden at the start of that book, and it paved the way for everything to come.

The switch of narrative was something I had completely forgotten, and I had also forgotten Linden's true thoughts about Covenant being outlined at the start of the book. The Wounded Land left things ambiguous, and Covenant completely misread her feelings (unsurprisingly). It's very well done to give her the voice she was missing at the start of the next book.

Also, I am going to be sniggering at the various double entendres that I now know I'm going to come across Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But...but...herculean spoilers...kääk...ääk...colossal spoilers of unfathomable puissance and crepuscularity... Laughing
I guess you resemble me in this sense. I knew the outline of the LC's till AATE ere delving into them thanks to my accursed curiosity, and could not help reading entire chunks of WGW's ending beforehand as I wanted to see whether The First and Pitchwife would survive the ordeal. Laughing TOT is great! You'll be following the turnings of the world a great deal from her POV thence.

Anyhow thanks for reading. Even without my Nordic barbarian character tittering at earthy symbolism in everything that moves (Ancient survival trait on these latitudes!), there's a bunch of bawdy jokes in the book. Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frostheart Grueburn wrote:
A scene of Thomas and Linden lovey-doveying heralds the beginning of Part II.


GREAT chapter, in which Mahrtiir comes into the height of his power! Thanks for the dissection, Frostheart! I knew I was going to enjoy reading it when I saw the phrases "grassy patch" and "sunk the armada" in the first two paragraphs alone; my testosterone overfloweth already. Kiss Hand Ahem (Seriously, Frosty, I appreciate your continuing great efforts to inform us of the ancient mythological background for these scenes. And I completely missed the significance of the willow tree tying in with Linden's fate being "writ in water", so am glad that you pointed that out! You're going to be a hard act for me to follow.)

Nevertheless, this enjoyable chapter had at least one unpleasant moment for me.

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Covenant propped himself up on his elbows and looked her with yearning in his eyes. He seemed to desire every contour. Then he frowned ruefully. Nodding toward the Ranyhyn and Mishio Massima, he muttered in mock disgust, "I probably shouldn't say this, Linden, but I don't really like horses."


WHOA, did this passage ever throw my Raman soul into a state of shock! Made me feel dizzy and about to faint, it did. After such a stunning revelation, I had to sniff two whole fistfuls of dried amanibhavam before I was restored. Crazy But Linden Ringthane's declaration that she's very fond of Hyn and Khelen maged to shore up my faith in her before I started to join THOOLAH (guess I'm staying a lifelong member of OPAL, after all).

There was another odd moment for me when TC said, "Just once, I would like to face a challenge that turns out to be easy." He's apparently already forgotten how successfully he bluffed Kastenessen with Infelice's help. But I grant that he was quite exhausted at that time.

LA's getting jeremiah to open up about his hurts and fears seems to be a pretty constructive episode, especially judging by its conclusion.

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His struggle was terrible to behold. He knew how to protect himself. His craving for the sanctuary of graves was visible in the way he stood, in the clench of his fists and the hunch of his shoulders. Sharing herself, Linden had not reassured him: she had precipitated a crisis which he had been fighting to avoid. But he also had reason to know that safety was a trap; that every sanctuary was also a prison. On some deep level, he had chosen to free himself from his long dissociation. More consciously, he had chosen to do what he could for the Elohim. He understood the choice that his mother wanted him to make now.
In the same tone--forlorn and frail and alone--he told her, "I'll try."
Then he let Linden hug him.
With that she had to be content. Perhaps it was enough.


Reading this, I found myself wondering "Where have I seen this before?" Then I had it: the last chapter of The Power That Preserves. The Creator asks TC if he will ever write a story for which none of his characters will have cause to reproach him. Covenant responds, "I'll try." And the Creator remarks, "Yes. Perhaps for you it is enough." So it seems to be a recurring theme that despair can never triumph as long as the trying continues.

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That may be my favorite image in the entire book!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great chapter. Great dissection. Extremely informative. Might have to sharpen up my Norse Mythology(whisking right over my head, most of that), but it all makes me appreciate SRD even more, if he is truly weaving all of these ancient tales and legends into his themes.

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On another level, we are witnessing a crucial progress-step along an ongoing transformation: the anti-heroes shed their soiled plumage bit by bit, ascending towards a godhood--mayhap a demi-such--to join into an eventual trinity.


Very interesting, and for some reason I totally missed this, but I think you're right. The Haruchai really do kind of worship Linden and TC, the Giants really do revere them, and TC' is wearing a crown! And they are all come from elsewhere to redeem the Land. Perfect.

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Here we can list qualities that complement one another: Time and Creation - Healing and Love - Structure and Dimensions, or an aspected Water (Linden) - Earth (Jeremiah) - Fire (Covenant).


Another great insight. Perhaps we can add to that the fourth element "Air" in connection with the Elohim. Like them or not, the Elohim must be deemed as demi-god status for sure.

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And note Infelice, along with our three "Trinity", are left standing to contemplate it all in the Eplilogue for a reason.


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Now Linden and Covenant clamber out of their cuddlyburrow to greet the others. Along the way, she observes that the hubby’s health has deteriorated, yet akin to the haruheads, he refuses a healing, reiterating his necessity for numbness. Why do you think this is so important to him?


I have really enjoyed TC's emotional/psychological/spiritual progression throughout the Chronicles, and his acceptance of who he is, defects and weaknesses all. TC's "numbness" allows him to "feel", in other ways, what's more important, what matters. I think it reminds him of who he is, what he's done, who has suffered by him, and to understand its implications. His leprosy keeps him focused on doing, bettering, hoping, and trying to make it right.

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So it seems to be a recurring theme that despair can never triumph as long as the trying continues.


Agreed. That ties it together nicely.

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Regrettably, her confessions do not console the son.


Yes, this is what can suck about parenting. You try and be strong, to help, but they usually just tune you out. You try and open up about your own failings, and they end up being disappointed or surprised at your weakness. No matter what you do and say, you rarely get the gratification of knowing it worked there and then. They learn themselves in ways you can't predict, unwittingly working in some of your words in their own way, and really that's what matters. I like that SRD left both Linden and Jerry unsatisfied here, because that's real. But it was enough that they tried, right? There's that recurring theme again...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It took me a while to finish this chapter. I kept reading and reading ... gosh, I thought, this is a long chapter. Then I turned the last page ... and it said "Chapter 3". So I am late due to over-reading. But am ahead for the next chapter!

Frosty, your dissections are improving with practice.

The name of the last book is "The Abyss and the Peak". The high and the low; the depths and the summit. All I can figure is that the last 12 chapters are going to be full of ... ups and downs! That, and that it probably will involve Mt. Thunder and the Lost Deep. (I don't think we need to journey into double-entendre territory here. ... Or want to.)

What amazes me in this first chapter in this last book is how healthy Thomas and Linden are. Emotionally, they are just very stable, guilt-free, and pretty much lacking in psycho-emotional problems. This can't be said of Jeremiah - he is now the person in which doubt and emotional unbalance now reside. His journey isn't complete. For Thomas and Linden, I think it just about has.

For Linden, this stability was only recently gained.

In The Last Dark was wrote:
The sensation that he had vindicated her, body and soul, was more profound than her fatigue. It felt numinous and ineffable: a homecoming of the spirit.

Here, we see that Linden has finally come to terms with rousing the Worm. She had been telling Jeremiah that failure is not who you are, but she now finally believes this of herself. Covenant has made this possible.

And there is another sign.

In The Last Dark was wrote:
Linden smiled for him. He had given her another gift to counterbalance the night’s passing. Indirectly, perhaps, but unmistakably, he had already reassumed his rightful place as the leader of the Land’s defenders.

Covenant is back in charge! For the first time in this Chronicles, they are together and hale of mind and body, all at the same time. And so now Linden no longer needs to bear Thomas' burdens. She has saved her son - this is now Covenant's fight.

In The Last Dark was wrote:
"I feel like I’ve been waiting for this my whole life,"

Covenant sums it up right there. This is the moment that all their lives have led to. To be here, now, together. Whole.

I have speculated that the reason we have three people coming to the Land to face their internal struggles as external ones - what Donaldson calls a psychodrama sometimes - that they are doing this at the same time, and together - sharing a dream, maybe - is this: their journey to become whole is a journey that they need to make together, because it is only together that they can become whole. They complete each other, in more than a romantic or poetic sense. (Covenant was stuck in a dead end - he died! You can't complete your psychodramatic journey if your dead! When Linden resurrected him, she unstuck him, made it possible for him to complete that journey.)

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“He reached out and took me like I was nothing. Good for nothing. Useless.”

Here, Jeremiah says what to me means that he essentially has the same journey before him as Linden and Thomas have had: the journey from feeling helpless to believing in one's strengths. The road from impotence to efficacy. The Chronicles, in all it's myriad ways, is always about this in the end. The discovery that man is an effective passion.

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In The Last Dark was wrote:
Caerwood ur-Mahrtiir unfurled ancient tunes around him, verse and refrain. “This invoked bourne of verdure and health is small. By the measure of the world’s end, it is little more than vainglory. But I will not have it so. I will not. Here stands the forgotten truth of wood, just as the fane which preserves the Elohim expresses another truth also forgotten. While my bourne endures, it affirms that the Worm and death are not the sum of all things.

“Linden Avery, Ringthane, friend. Bless this beauty with your strength. Nourish it, that I may suffice in its defense.”

Two important things on top of each other here.

First, the forestal asks for Linden's blessing. And it is not just a gesture, either: Linden's blessing, when it is given, is quite successful. It spells the difference between the forestal's failure and success.

In other words, Linden is like a god. There's a lot of significance here with respect to literary tradition - Frye's Theory of Modes. But also: being godlike is the epitome of efficacy, and the antithesis of impotence. It is the ultimate destination for those who have come to terms with their weaknesses and their strengths - for those who are whole. So: another sign of how stable and whole our heroes have become.

Second, we have a reference to Anele's prophetic statements in the Lost Deep: If it is not opposed by the forgotten truths of stone and wood, orcrest and refusal, it will have life.. ur-Mahrtiir tells us here that "the forgotten truths of wood and stone" now stand right before them."Orcrest has brought us Jeremiah. And "refusal" is about to happen on a very big scale. So this mystery, at least, has been solved. Jinkies!

Linden got it perfectly right. They needed a forestal.

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In The Last Dark was wrote:
Small against the background of the bright willow, Caerwood ur-Mahrtiir stood before the blast.

Lord, I can see this in my mind. The dry, rocky wastes, with one lone green tree, behind it the shattered hill and the fane. The tree blows as if in a tempest, willow branches going vertical. A storm comes. A man with a branch for a staff stands with the tree... forbidding the storm to come closer!

This is like a metaphor for everything that Donaldson has ever said. There is no problem so dire and so irredeemable that you don't get to choose how you respond to it. In spite of how hopeless it seems, in spite of how overwhelming it is, there's always a way to stand for what you believe in. There is no killing blow.

This forestal has one power, and one power alone: forbidding. "To wield his will against the Worm." It is all about undaunted, unrelieved, indominable will. It's a power we all have. What Covenant and Linden have learned is that it's the only power you really need, if you fuel it with passion.

Anyway ... this moment I think is a culmination of the Chronicles on many levels.

Cord Hurn wrote:
So it seems to be a recurring theme that despair can never triumph as long as the trying continues.

Bingo.

In The Last Dark was wrote:
“Linden Avery!” Somehow Stave made himself heard through the chaos of running and winds, lightning and thunder. “Chosen, attend! The Forestal succeeds! The Worm slows!”

The Worm slows. Will wins!

No, they haven't saved the world yet. But they turned the Worm! Who could have ever thought that they could turn the Worm -- twice now. Suddenly the impossible seems possible.

This is, to me, another sign of how far Thomas and Linden have come. That this can be accomplished - that ruin itself can be thwarted - bespeaks of strengths that can only arise from coming into their true selves.

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In a fashion, he surrendered his sight to gain puissant, eldritch lore and his “heart’s desire” during the succeeding transformation. Óðinn purchased the right to drink the mead of wisdom by tossing a single eyeball into the jötunn Mímir’s well.

Well spotted.

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TC's "numbness" allows him to "feel", in other ways, what's more important, what matters. I think it reminds him of who he is, what he's done, who has suffered by him, and to understand its implications. His leprosy keeps him focused on doing, bettering, hoping, and trying to make it right.

I would say it this way: Covenant -is- a leper; if you take that away, he isn't who he is. By which I mean, Covenant doesn't resist being a leper, he has incorporated it into his self image, and it's too late now to try and change it. Being a leper makes Covenant whole. Being whole means, among other things, not wanting to be anything except exactly what you are.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the discussion, guys. Smile Well, I would hope that practice brings improvements; at least the entendres have doubled.

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I knew I was going to enjoy reading it when I saw the phrases "grassy patch" and "sunk the armada" in the first two paragraphs alone; my testosterone overfloweth already.


Oooh I’m glad all these puissant symbols boost virility! Razz Razz Perhaps one could formulate a successful marketing strategy from all this...

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Might have to sharpen up my Norse Mythology(whisking right over my head, most of that), but it all makes me appreciate SRD even more, if he is truly weaving all of these ancient tales and legends into his themes.


Well, I recommend Wagner’s Der Ring des Nibelungen to anyone willing to burrow deeper into the story structures of TCTC and the Gap, the latter of which sports entire names ganked therefrom, albeit a wee bit muddled: Holt Fasner = Fasolt and Fafner, Warden Dios = Woden/Wotan, Godsen Frik = Frigg, etc. On the other edge across the space, magical rings. World serpents. Götterdämmerung. Frost Giants.
After operatic experiences, have a look at Völuspá, which is the Last Dark occurring in an alternate universe. Smile
I’m not claiming SRD has an omnicomprehending knowledge of world mythologies, but one can glimpse at the extent of his awareness by considering the Raver names, the Elohim’s connection to the Irish Tuatha de Danann/Sidhe living inside mounds (Elemesnedene/Eftmound), and so forth. The only thing he has denied was the borrowing of the seafaring Giants from the Finnic folktales (But he kept nodding while I blathered about the Jörmungandr/Worm parallel at the e-fest!). Hence, while I cannot ascertain the nature of all similarities, something akin to the willow/water/protection from snakes feels altogether too interlocking for a mere coincidence.


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Perhaps we can add to that the fourth element "Air" in connection with the Elohim. Like them or not, the Elohim must be deemed as demi-god status for sure.
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And note Infelice, along with our three "Trinity", are left standing to contemplate it all in the Eplilogue for a reason.


Air would fit, considering their fluid nature and the linkage to the stars. Of course one might argue about space being a vacuum and whatnot here, but we are dealing with a fantasy universe where the Arch of Time is a rainbow. Smile


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I have speculated that the reason we have three people coming to the Land to face their internal struggles as external ones - what Donaldson calls a psychodrama sometimes - that they are doing this at the same time, and together - sharing a dream, maybe - is this: their journey to become whole is a journey that they need to make together, because it is only together that they can become whole. They complete each other, in more than a romantic or poetic sense. (Covenant was stuck in a dead end - he died! You can't complete your psychodramatic journey if your dead! When Linden resurrected him, she unstuck him, made it possible for him to complete that journey.)


Hmm… While one might deem the six previous volumes more or less shared dreams (I still hold on to the concept of the Land being real and the Giants, etc. independently conscious beings), now TC & co have kicked buckets of various shapes and sizes in the real world. So...they do complete one another in the afterlife. Their trampled spirits fled into the Land to enjoy its Ragnarökkr-y healing qualities. Smile Or more accurately, were herded thither by the Roger/Joan/Foul combo.

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Second, we have a reference to Anele's prophetic statements in the Lost Deep: If it is not opposed by the forgotten truths of stone and wood, orcrest and refusal, it will have life.. ur-Mahrtiir tells us here that "the forgotten truths of wood and stone" now stand right before them."Orcrest has brought us Jeremiah. And "refusal" is about to happen on a very big scale. So this mystery, at least, has been solved. Jinkies!


Not a fan of Scooby-Doo, so I shall mentally utilize something from the efficient toolbox of Finnish exclamations. However, I think this conundrum inside an enigma unraveled itself. Thumbs Up
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Love suits them both, delivering traits that on a regular day skulk beneath strata of condensed self-accusation and unworth.


It's been nearly thirty-seven centuries in the time of the Land's world since they were able to consummate their love, I think. The last time must have been in Mhoram's old quarters after the Clave's downfall in WGW.

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Without crafting any double-entendres out of the last observation, Covenant commences a krill-circle, and the company vanishes into dimensions unsung without witnessing the outcome.


Branl and Covenant have gotten quite adept at this by now, haven't they? Branl and the late Clyme are the only Haruchai to wield wild magic, perhaps because they had something to prove to the ak-Haru, and it's only in this way.

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Anyway,,the Elohim don't die. As much as I would not have mind, the author doesn't snuff'em out.


I wouldn't have minded if Chant from TOT was one of those snuffed out by the Worm. And also wouldn't have minded if they all had turned into Colossuses of the Fall, for that matter. They would have been far more tolerable that way.

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Yes, this is what can suck about parenting. You try and be strong, to help, but they usually just tune you out. You try and open up about your own failings, and they end up being disappointed or surprised at your weakness. No matter what you do and say, you rarely get the gratification of knowing it worked there and then. They learn themselves in ways you can't predict, unwittingly working in some of your words in their own way, and really that's what matters. I like that SRD left both Linden and Jerry unsatisfied here, because that's real.


Jeremiah is so well written as a believable adolescent, and that's one of the enjoyable things that TLD uniquely offers for me among the Chronicles.

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Covenant was stuck in a dead end - he died! You can't complete your psychodramatic journey if your dead! When Linden resurrected him, she unstuck him, made it possible for him to complete that journey.


Gratitude from TC over this probably makes it that much easier for Covenant to tell Linden she should quit blaming herself for waking the Worm.

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Well, I recommend Wagner’s Der Ring des Nibelungen to anyone willing to burrow deeper into the story structures of TCTC and the Gap, the latter of which sports entire names ganked therefrom, albeit a wee bit muddled: Holt Fasner = Fasolt and Fafner, Warden Dios = Woden/Wotan, Godsen Frik = Frigg, etc.


I very glad to know about the name similarities, Frostheart; thank you!

michaelm wrote:
Also, I am going to be sniggering at the various double entendres that I now know I'm going to come across Laughing


Sometimes it's good to know things in advance, even with reading. Though I personally don't like spoilers.

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I’m glad everyone has such deep insights into the minutiae of the storytelling. Very Happy
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It's been nearly thirty-seven centuries in the time of the Land's world since they were able to consummate their love, I think. The last time must have been in Mhoram's old quarters after the Clave's downfall l in WGW.


I had a mental image of them gathering nuts in Andelain, but mayhap a fallacy induced by the First and Pitchwife’s frolicking… One of my favorite scenes in the elsewise grim WGW, nonetheless; everyone manages to munch on a moment of happiness amid the horrors of the Sunbane. Cannot believe that the mighty Amazon actually blushed. Laughing None of Coldspray’s hird would do that!

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I wouldn't have minded if Chant from TOT was one of those snuffed out by the Worm. And alsp wouldn't have minded if they all had turned into Colossuses of the Fall, for that matter. They would have been far more tolerable that way.


And Starkin, the bugger who bothered Pitchwife with all those harassing visions. Evil or Very Mad Keep your eloschemy fingers off the lovable BFG!

(An interesting revelation about the Giantish culture as a direct result of this, however: Even if Pitchwife was cognizant of his physical undesirability in the eyes of Giantesses, “ugliness” was a new concept to him. Baf Scatterwit’s treatment semi-mirrors this.)

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I very glad to know about the name similarities.


No prob; have you read the author’s note at the end of the first Gap volume? Reveals SRD’s sources quite directly. Some more from the top of my mind: Min Donner: donner = thunder = Donar = Thor), Norna = Norn(s) (the Norse fates), Saltheart Foamfollower has its direct echoes of Fasolt / Fafner, also he’s the last of the Landish Giants...
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I had a mental image of them gathering nuts in Andelain, but mayhap a fallacy induced by the First and Pitchwife’s frolicking…


I'm not sure, but I think the recent tragedies of Hollian's death and the mixed feelings about Caer-Caveral's passing and Hollian's restoration may have overwhelmed Linden and Covenant from focusing on carnal thoughts. Certainly once the shade of Kevin Landwaster informed LA of TC's intent to surernder the ring, all intimate closeness between them was undone by the disturbing revelation.

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Cannot believe that the mighty Amazon actually blushed. None of Coldspray’s herd would do that!


Now, that is for certain! Perhaps Gossamer Glowlimn was raised to be more prim and prudish by her ship-owning father (was his name Brow Gnarlfist?) than Coldspray's working-class crew. Or maybe Giantish society has evolved to be more open about such subjects in 37 centuries.

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And Starkin, the bugger who bothered Pitchwife with all those harassing visions.


Yes, him too! Though he may be a star-creature like all his kin, his insensitivity in focusing only on Pitchwife's surface worth made my impression of him less than stellar.

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No prob; have you read the author’s note at the end of the first Gap volume?


Yes, and that was actually my favorite part of The Real Story; I appreciated SRD's willingness to take the time to explain all of that subject matter concerning Wagner's works. My question to SRD at E-fest '14, about how The Power That Preserves had a scene influenced by his seeing a disinfectant can in a convenience store restroom, was based on something he said in this Afterword.
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Cannot believe that the mighty Amazon actually blushed. None of Coldspray’s herd would do that!


Now, that is for certain! Perhaps Gossamer Glowlimn was raised to be more prim and prudish by her ship-owning father (was his name Brow Gnarlfist?) than Coldspray's working-class crew. Or maybe Giantish society has evolved to be more open about such subjects in 37 centuries.


Hird. Hird! Not cows! Laughing Everyone attempts to correct that as a typo. Laughing It is a word of Scandinavian origin that means "a retinue of elite warriors". SRD calls them a cadre in TWL. The Swordmainnir are nothing akin to regular boulder-rollers (even if they must succumb themselves to such a fate...); they lead the Searches and dangerous missions, and I'd surmise the title of an Ironhand corresponds to a military general. Since Pitchwife was rife with similar humor, I would say Gossamer was just prudish and probably blushed at the jests of her fellow Swordmainnir back Home. Razz


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Yes, and that was actually my favorite part of The Real Story; I appreciated SRD's willingness to take the time to explain all of that subject matter concerning Wagner's works. My question to SRD at E-fest '14, about how The Power That Preserves had a scene influenced by his seeing a disinfectant can in a convenience store restroom, was based on something he said in this Afterword.


Arrr I wish the videos would get uploaded soon! I'm beginning to forget what was asked and responded. (On the other hand, I'm dreading what my thick accent will sound like...Razz)

Now must finish reading the present chapter and read your dissection!
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Hird. Hird! Not cows! Everyone attempts to correct that as a typo. It is a word of Scandinavian origin that means "a retinue of elite warriors".


Sorry, I didn't know that! Now I've hird something new. (I'm giving you the chance to correct my spelling, just to be fair.)

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Since Pitchwife was rife with similar humor, I would say Gossamer was just prudish and probably blushed at the jests of her fellow Swordmainnir back Home.


That sounds like a very likely explanation.

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Arrr I wish the videos would get uploaded soon! I'm beginning to forget what was asked and responded.

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Your erudite Finglish is great fun to read, Frosty, and I do enjoy your irreverence as well.

I notice in reading this dissection how conflict is gently reintroduced before the intrusion of the Worm. There's a kind of yin-yang structure going on: conflict /chaos arising within the peace of the fellowship; yet when chaos threatens to overwhelm from without, peace comes from within the group. I thought that was cool.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks lurch,

It's odd, how Linden spoke with Jeremiah about keeping secrets, and how the problems they caused. I wondered if this was one of those moments when an author will speak, (through characters), directly to the reader.
Then I read this:

lurch wrote:


again, I feel,,that damn worm is Us..the reader , with every word read inching closer and closer to the World's End, the end of the book, the end of the Last Chrons, the end of TCoTC..


Having finished reading this chapter I wished to read through the dissection to see what others had to say. I didn't read every line, only scanned the paragraphs for anything about Covenant looking like a king - Linden thought the old scar on his forehead made him appear regal, as if his silver head of hair shone like a royal crown. Interesting imagery.

But when I read what lurch wrote about the worm. Eureka!

I get what you're saying. So here's a slight shift in perspective.

At first I thought the idea was only something personal someone might have reading the The Last Dark. We don't always see things the same.
Then it all became clear. Like if you blew away all the dust and debris and dark clouds and lightning and .... there it was ... a force of nature ...
And in 3D.
With the mind's eye seeing the shapes like a pop up book, the worm arching across the page, devouring the meaning of words, ravenous, insatiably hungry, a veritable cornucopia of treasure.

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fuligin: a hypothetical colour darker than black, aka blacker than the blackest black times infinity. Is SRD a Metalocalypse fan?

Surely some wordplay is going on there:

fuligin = full grin = Vain = Vain = Big Grin
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I didn't read every line, only scanned the paragraphs for anything about Covenant looking like a king - Linden thought the old scar on his forehead made him appear regal, as if his silver head of hair shone like a royal crown. Interesting imagery.


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Groaning softly, Covenant blinked his eyes open. When his gaze fixed on Linden, he tried to smile: an awkward twist of his mouth. In the delicate light of the Forestal's music, the pale scar on his forehead seemed to glow. It might have been a nascent anadem. an old wound that was slowly becoming a crown. The stark silver of his hair promised flames.

Remembering his ardor, she felt a delicious shiver like an intimation of the life that she wanted to have with him.


The way I read this, Vizidor, is that Linden's in love with Covenant all over again, and this makes her see him as kingly.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vizidor wrote:
I didn't read every line, only scanned the paragraphs for anything about Covenant looking like a king - Linden thought the old scar on his forehead made him appear regal, as if his silver head of hair shone like a royal crown. Interesting imagery.


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Groaning softly, Covenant blinked his eyes open. When his gaze fixed on Linden, he tried to smile: an awkward twist of his mouth. In the delicate light of the Forestal's music, the pale scar on his forehead seemed to glow. It might have been a nascent anadem. an old wound that was slowly becoming a crown. The stark silver of his hair promised flames.

Remembering his ardor, she felt a delicious shiver like an intimation of the life that she wanted to have with him.



The way I read this, Vizidor, is that Linden's in love with Covenant all over again, and this makes her see him as kingly.


... no doubt, Cord Hurn.
Although I'm sure you'll agree that with nine previous volumes there's always hidden depths in the Last Dark.

As the title of the chapter uses the words, tale and remain, I'm inclined to believe that the Ranyhn are central to this part of the story.

Covenant's scar highlights this.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I interpret Linden's "kingly" vision as I do the glowing rings - a manifestation of Covenant's new state of being, and a foreshadowing of the direction it is heading in. A sign, if you will, that things are going the right way for Covenant.

It also touches on the 'weakness that has found it's proper use' theme. A scar, and grey hair, seen as ennobling decorations in the right light.

It also touches on the Arthurian notion that the king and the land are one, and that as the king waxes or wanes, so goes the land - or Land, in this case.

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As the title of the chapter uses the words, tale and remain, I'm inclined to believe that the Ranyhn are central to this part of the story.

Heh. Well spotted.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wayfriend wrote:


Vizidor wrote:
As the title of the chapter uses the words, tale and remain, I'm inclined to believe that the Ranyhn are central to this part of the story.

Heh. Well spotted.


Heads or Tails ? [the willow tree or the malachite temple]

Frostheart's thoughts on the mythology of the willow tree was very interesting. Although I do have some difficulty incorporating those ideas into the Chronicles' mythology.
For example, the willow tree is adjacent to Jeremiah's malachite structure: in the Fatal Revenant, Jeremiah's true condition was hidden beneath a glamour of the croyel, the only indication of anything not quite right was a persistent tick at his temple.

Knowing what had transpired on Linden's epic journey to Earthroot do you think there's anything to be learned from her experience ?
Is the malachite temple just more glamour on Linden's healthsense - (didn't she have a problem detecting anything in the vicinity of schist) ?

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