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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 10:51 am    Post subject: We don't have a Wikipedia page. Reply with quote

Guess it's no big deal but we don't. I'd do one but I don't begin to know enough about Watch history or indeed about Wikipedia posting to make the attempt, even if it were appropriate. Must admit - I'd like to see one though. There must have been enough going on in these pages over the years to warrent a book, let alone a page on Wikipedia. Would anyone like to use tell me some of the stories that have happened if it can be done without offending 'the innocent' Wink .
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would it pass the standard wikipedia test for notability? Something has to be notable enough in order to merit an article.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the official forum it might. Good suggestion Peter, lemme give it some thought. I have an account.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this is done, remember to be accurate and state the site was started in 1969 by dANdeLION. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If this is done, remember to be accurate and state the site was started in 1969 by dANdeLION. Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need wiki to tell of my dominant greatness.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sarge - no-one needs to tell you of your dominant greatness; it is one of the Worlds self-evident truths [like unto one of Euclids axioms]. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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[like unto one of Euclids axioms]. Wink
Oooh! But which one?
Some of sarge's ways of doing things seem pretty non-Euclidean to me.
Just sayin'.

Anyways, as pertaining to a possible future Wikipedia page...
I actually have been thinking about this, and some little piece(s) of me yearns/yearn for the day when I can go to Wikipedia and see:
"Kevin's Watch: Disambiguation."

May I ask if anyone here presently creates or edits pages on Wikipedia and "knows the ropes," so to speak?

My Two Cents: I think we should make fun of ourselves in such a way that our target audience will identify with us.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Av has said he has an account, but I imagine the work involved with setting up such a page would be no small thing and as such would not be undertaken lightly. As to Kevins Watch; disambiguation - That'll be the day! Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a wikipedia page for creating wikipedia pages. It looks like it should be enough to get anyone going should he or she want to make the effort.

Notably, under the Things to Avoid section, it includes "articles about your website". And under What Wikipedia is Not, it has "Wikipedia is not a means of promotion".

Not that I am against it. But a wikipedia page about Kevin's Watch might just get yanked anyway, unless it walks the right line.

That being said, there's a page for GRRM's fansite. And one for TheOneRing.net. So it's possible. These similar pages would merit some study. They are rather similar to each other, which suggests that someone has found a successful template for these things.

We will also need a picture. Wink I would nominate blackhawk's depiction, but this one works for me, too.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooh.
Very helpful inflammation, wf.

Maybe we should ask, "What, if anything, would the outside world want to know about the Watch?"

Maybe this is one thing going for us:
We have a certain sort of model for people who talk online anonymously for years to meet up irl in a group... that's something a lot of online communities don't know how to do well, I suspect.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linah Heartlistener wrote:
Ooh.
Very helpful information, wf.

Maybe we should ask, "What, if anything, would the outside world want to know about the Watch?"

Maybe this is one thing going for us:
We have a certain sort of model for people who talk online anonymously for years to meet up irl in a group... that's something a lot of online communities don't know how to do well, I suspect.




Edit: replacing "inflammation" with the correct word, i.e. "information."
Thanks, electronic devicey... thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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These similar pages would merit some study. They are rather similar to each other, which suggests that someone has found a successful template for these things.


Excellent advice WF.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gosh yes - Haven't seen Blackhawk around for a while, but the man sure knew how to draw a scene!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another similar Wikipedia page: Harry Potter Fan Zone

I highly suggest looking at the Talk sections on these pages. All of these pages seem to be barely acceptable. Basically, the big point seems to be: your fan site needs to be significant to someone or something besides itself.

So some points in our favor include being included in Donaldson's dedications, the organizing and execution of Elohimfests.

We also need to prove this significance by finding authoritative references on the web that talk about Kevin's Watch and that document these significances. Of course, we can't use anything that's actually on Kevin's Watch. This, I think, is where we fall flat.

So: I think the first thing that would need to be done is to find some things on the Web that describe Kevin's Watch and explain why it is sifgnificant. These would become the references section of the page.

Sorry to be a big, rude downer about this. It's actually a bit fascinating looking into how this stuff happens. I didn't realize it would be so hard until I checked it out.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, if no one has talked about you in a way that can be used as an independent reference, then you're not notable.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can contribute links to a blog post or two. And I've mentioned the Watch in a couple of Indies Unlimited articles.

Did the Watch get mentioned at all in conjunction with the press on Fantasy Bedtime Hour?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So: I think the first thing that would need to be done is to find some things on the Web that describe Kevin's Watch and explain why it is sifgnificant. These would become the references section of the page.

Sorry to be a big, rude downer about this. It's actually a bit fascinating looking into how this stuff happens. I didn't realize it would be so hard until I checked it out.


Nonsense, thanks for putting in the effort to investigate more thoroughly. Good suggestions.

aliantha wrote:
And I've mentioned the Watch in a couple of Indies Unlimited articles.


That's good. Can you dig up links to those articles?

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Did the Watch get mentioned at all in conjunction with the press on Fantasy Bedtime Hour?


Somebody ask Jenn.

We could also ask Romeo to put up a little something about the Watch on the SRD site, and perhaps Patrick to do the same on his site. Haven't seen him around for some time...not sure if his site is still active, but can try. Maybe we can get hold of Szandor too and get a write-up on The Land.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Next time you do an Elohimfest, try to get a local newspaper in Albuquerque to write about it. (Has that been done before? I don't think I've seen anyone say so.)
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