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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:42 pm    Post subject: 2016 Hugo Awards Discussion Reply with quote

See last year's discussion for context. Yes, the Rabid Puppies made a mess again.

For reference:
This year's ballot

This year's ballot without the Rabid Puppies:

BEST NOVEL
Ancillary Mercy, Ann Leckie
The Fifth Season, N.K. Jemisin
Uprooted, Naomi Novik

BEST NOVELLA
Binti, Nnedi Okorafor

BEST NOVELETTE
"And You Shall Know Her By the Trail of Dead", Brooke Bolander

BEST SHORT STORY
[None]

BEST RELATED WORK
[None]

BEST GRAPHIC STORY
[None]

BEST DRAMATIC PRESENTATION: LONG FORM
Ex Machina
Mad Max: Fury Road
Star Wars: The Force Awakens

BEST DRAMATIC PRESENTATION: SHORT FORM
Doctor Who, "Heaven Sent"
Jessica Jones, "aka Smile"

BEST EDITOR: SHORT FORM
John Joseph Adams
Neil Clarke
Ellen Datlow
Sheila Williams

BEST EDITOR: LONG FORM
Liz Gornisky
Jim Minz
Sheila E. Gilbert

BEST PROFESSIONAL ARTIST
[None]

BEST SEMIPROZINE
Uncanny Magazine

BEST FANZINE
[None]

BEST FANCAST
[None]

BEST FAN WRITER
Mike Glyer

BEST FAN ARTIST
Steve Stiles

JOHN W. CAMPBELL AWARD FOR BEST NEW WRITER
Alyssa Wong


Note: I suspect a few Rabid Puppy picks were deliberately chosen to annoy people who would intend to vote a full no-Puppy slate.


Finally, I'll add that changes to the Hugo Awards nomination process were voted in last year, and will almost certainly be ratified at this year's Worldcon. The result, as I understand it, is that large numbers of people voting identical ballots will have their nominations reduced in weighting, in a way that pretty much prevents any slate votes from taking more than one nomination in each category. So this should be the last year of Hugo categories being totally ruined by angry trolls.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you tell which ones were Rabid Puppy picks?

I'm sad to say that I've lost most of the respect I had for the Hugo Awards in general, though I hope they will eventually be able to put all the drama and crap behind them.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I looked up Vox Day's list announcing the slate. File770 has a full comparison here:
http://file770.com/?p=28702
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it interesting that Neal Stephenson ended up on both lists. Actually, all three lists. Haven't read Seveneves, but I usually enjoy his books.

Just curious, since your list omitted him altogether due to Puppy involvement - do you think many people will be voting that way?

It would be a shame to see a legit nomination tarnished due to Puppy Cooties.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mainly did that just to illustrate the impact they've had on the ballot. I think far fewer people will go full no-slate this year. There are a number of nominations that were already popular that the Puppies have latched on to in order to troll the vote. Neil Gaiman will win, for example, and Seveneves has a good shot. I think there are a couple of short pieces they helped onto the ballot that are getting praise, too.

Seveneves is a good book; manages to be full of technical infodumps without seeming dry. But large chunks of the book do feel less like a story and more like an excuse to show off his worldbuilding based on crazy extrapolations of actual possible tech.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be happy if Ann Leckie won, though in all fairness, Ancillary Mercy is the only nomination that I've actually read.

I'll add Seveneves to my list.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can also highly recommend The Fifth Season and Uprooted. I have not read any Jim Butcher, but he's a very popular author that the Puppies have just latched on to to claim influence.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goodness, who would have thought there was so much politics in choosing some good stories?

Somebody remind me why people are trying to control / whatever the voting/nominations?

Re: Stephenson - must get that book...I like world building. In some ways, it's more important to me than the story.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom Mays has spoken out against the gaming of the Hugo nominations and withdrawn his short story, The Commuters, from the ballot.
https://improbableauthor.com/2016/04/26/regarding-my-2016-hugo-award-nomination/
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Goodness, who would have thought there was so much politics in choosing some good stories?

Somebody remind me why people are trying to control / whatever the voting/nominations?

Re: Stephenson - must get that book...I like world building. In some ways, it's more important to me than the story.

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They started out saying that too many works of a left-wing type and focusing on things like LGBT issues were being nominated, and the awards weren't reflecting their segment of fandom. Then Vox Day took it up as an opportunity to troll and shit all over the mainstream of fandom who don't share his reprehensible political views. The last couple of years he's been openly stating his goal is to destroy the Hugos.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then Vox Day took it up as an opportunity to troll and shit all over the mainstream of fandom who don't share his reprehensible political views. The last couple of years he's been openly stating his goal is to destroy the Hugos.



Why can't they just ban him?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do they do about the 700 other people who vote the way he tells them to, then?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm fine with banning the whole lot of them, though I realize that isn't practical. If he has that much support, why doesn't he just create his own set of awards instead of trying to drag down an established and respected institution?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If he has that much support, why doesn't he just create his own set of awards instead of trying to drag down an established and respected institution?

This is one of the things I thought as I followed the clusterf&%* that the Puppies made of last year's Hugos. Exactly, if the Hugos are so bogus, go and set up your own. But, but, but, part of the original drive of the slates came from a couple of authors who were actually nominated for Hugos but didn't win. Their butthurtedness (I've always wanted to use a word like that! Smile ) spurred them to disrupt the Hugos and then Vox Day decided that he'd take it a step further and try and thrash them altogether. He nearly succeeded, but it looks like they will have it under control by next year.

Read last year's winning novel, The Three Body Problem by Cixin Liu, which I really enjoyed, and Seveneves is on my to-read list.

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I'm fine with banning the whole lot of them, though I realize that isn't practical. If he has that much support, why doesn't he just create his own set of awards instead of trying to drag down an established and respected institution?

Because no one outside of his group would pay any attention to it if he made his own awards. He likes the attention.
As for banning all of them, I don't think there's any way you could say you're going to ban any person who voted for particular works on their nominating ballot.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly, which is why I said it wouldn't be practical. They'd have to be able to prove the votes were solely for trolling purposes, and that would be difficult, if not impossible. I just don't get how a person who seems to have the mentality of a trolling 12-year-old has so many followers in the first place.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At any rate, I just started The Fifth Season. I'm enjoying it so far - started it with no idea what it was about, and things are starting to make sense.

Local bookstore was out of Seveneves.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They started out saying that too many works of a left-wing type and focusing on things like LGBT issues were being nominated, and the awards weren't reflecting their segment of fandom. Then Vox Day took it up as an opportunity to troll and shit all over the mainstream of fandom who don't share his reprehensible political views. The last couple of years he's been openly stating his goal is to destroy the Hugos.


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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I looked up Vox Day's list announcing the slate. File770 has a full comparison here:
http://file770.com/?p=28702


You do realize that VD put several of those on his "slate" as spoilers, right?
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I'm Murrin wrote:
Tom Mays has spoken out against the gaming of the Hugo nominations and withdrawn his short story, The Commuters, from the ballot.
https://improbableauthor.com/2016/04/26/regarding-my-2016-hugo-award-nomination/


I wish people would just ignore VD's existence this year. He's a douche and thrives on the attention his trolling gets him.
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