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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:48 pm    Post subject: Remember Bee-pocolypse? Reply with quote

Like the ozone hole, Y2K, the year 2012, peak oil, overpopulation, robots taking all our jobs, and many other things that pessimistic people worry about, most people have forgotten about bee-pocolypse because the dire predictions never happened. The bees never died out. They were supposed to die out. 10 years ago, everyone was worried that cell phones were killing the bees, which pollinate 1/3 of the crops human eat, which would cause mass starvation and collapse of our civilization. I actually know people who said we should give up our cell phones to save humanity.

What ever happened to that?

Well, the fear-mongering media rarely reports when they got something wrong. They report good news even more rarely. And they praise the virtues of capitalism even less.

How Capitalism Saved the Bees

We have more bees now than ever before. You'd think the story of saving humanity from destruction would be worth reporting.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alarmists know how to do only one thing--see the worst possible outcome of any situation; this still applies to climate alarmists, who are absolutely convinced that humanity as we know it will be defunct by 2100 and that the world will be wracked by billions of people migrating (well, the billions of people who didn't drown and/or starve to death because they were too stupid to move out of way of rising water or figure out how to grow sustenance crops for themselves).

Panic sells papers and generates click traffic, though, so media outlets will continue to do what media outlets have done for a couple of hundred years now--drum up panic with the disaster du jour.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the plus side, our 24-hour news cycle tends to mean that every disaster fades away pretty soon. (To be replaced by the next one to be sure.)

Interesting article.

Saw quite recently that 700 native US bee species (out of 4,000 apparently) are in danger of extinction though.

Hang on...

Hundreds of North American bee species face extinction: study

So, it's perhaps not quite that capitalism saved the bees so much as it saved the bee-keeping industry and maybe commercial pollination, but I'm not saying that that's a bad thing by any means.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The point is that species which are valuable--in terms of someone making a profit from them--don't usually go extinct. People sometimes act like mankind is the problem with the world, but the world doesn't give a shit about anything. The universe has killed over 90% of all species that have ever lived. Only mankind has the power (and will) to preserve.

It's not just the news cycle that fades away. People themselves lose interest. Just look how dead this thread is. The one we had during the time of doom and gloom got a lot more response.

Few people have interest in admitting that their fears were overblown or paranoid. For this reason, we consistently fail to learn from the past. People have been predicting the end of food, the end of oil, the end of precious metals, the end of jobs, etc. for a long time now. Malthusian reasoning has been proven wrong over and over. And yet over 200 years later people still ignorantly argue using his fallacies. We consistently underestimate the power of human ingenuity, even while we are the inheritors of an unfathomable world made possible by that ingenuity.

It bugs me. People try to set public or even global policies based on outdated ideas, trying to use government to solve problems that the free market solves on its own. Europe tried to combat the bee problem, for instance, with government action banning certain pesticides (that were never proven to cause Colony Collapse Disorder), leading to much worse pesticides and other negative effects. Meanwhile, people trying to save their industry solved the problem, and not only do people not use this example to learn a valuable lesson, they don't even know the lesson exists.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The point is that species which are valuable--in terms of someone making a profit from them--don't usually go extinct. People sometimes act like mankind is the problem with the world, but the world doesn't give a shit about anything. The universe has killed over 90% of all species that have ever lived. Only mankind has the power (and will) to preserve.


Yeah, pretty much agree with all that. All this "save the planet" stuff is a lie...it's not the planet that needs saving, the planet will be fine. It's us and our idea of what it should be like to benefit us that needs saving or preserving.

As you point out, species die out all the time. But even knowing this, I still feel that we'd be better off if things like tigers and and whales didn't die off. Maybe it's not rational, but there you go...we're not really rational anyway. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every species which exists on this planet right now will die off at some point in the future, including human beings. We shouldn't hasten such an event happening, of course, but neither should we expend unnecessary emotional energy worrying about it happening or being upset if it does happen.

The last post in the other thread about bees was a full year and a half before I joined here.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Every species which exists on this planet right now will die off at some point in the future, including human beings. We shouldn't hasten such an event happening, of course, but neither should we expend unnecessary emotional energy worrying about it happening or being upset if it does happen.


If we're causing it though, I think it's fair that we are willing to try and prevent it from happening too.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can anyone prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that we are causing it? No? Then there is no point worrying about it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't talking about the bees there. There are plenty of species being brought to extinction by our actions, don't think that's really in doubt.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sensible fisheries management in order to maintain stock levels for future harvesting makes sense to me.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, and that's just one of the more practical examples.

There are others less practical but more emotionally or psychologically significant (IMO anyway) I think.

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