Kevin's Watch Forum Index
 HomeHome   MemberlistMemberlist   RegisterRegister   SearchSearch   ProfileProfile   FAQFAQ   StatisticsStatistics  SudokuSudoku   Phoogle MapPhoogle Map 
 AlbumAlbum StoresStores   StoresItems Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Haruchai women
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Kevin's Watch Forum Index -> The First and Second Chronicles of Thomas Covenant
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Haruchai
Giantfriend


Joined: 27 Mar 2004
Posts: 309

Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Times in 1 Posts

Location: Australia
4 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:


PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2004 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Fist and Faith"]In that case, here's a Haruchai girl. Possibly the Watch's own Haruchai? Smile

Cool I wish!!
_________________
"I see you keep a bee" - Danny Bhoy

"I'll move on when I'm ready to" - Reservoir Dogs

"Their pheremones fizzled like ice cream and lemonade" - Harvie Krumpet


Last edited by Haruchai on Wed May 12, 2004 10:22 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
matrixman
cheek turner


Joined: 10 Jul 2003
Posts: 8361

Thanks: 6
Thanked 28 Times in 27 Posts


8347 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:


PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2004 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice picture, Fist!

So...who gets her cell phone number?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger Phoogle Map
Fist and Faith
Magister Vitae


Joined: 01 Dec 2002
Posts: 17652

Thanks: 94
Thanked 88 Times in 84 Posts


6733 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Foul Duck1 Lord Mhoram's Victory1 2011 Watchies


PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2004 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

She can probably only get snail-mail. And that's likely a very accurate description in her case, as it's probably delivered by yak. On the bright side, by the time she gets it, she might be of legal age. So go for it, dude! Very Happy
_________________
We are not required to save the world. We are required to stand up as truly as we can for what we love. -SRD
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail MSN Messenger Phoogle Map
Lament
Woodhelvennin

Male
Joined: 11 May 2004
Posts: 66

Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Times in 1 Posts

Location: New Jersey, USA
0 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:


PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's been said in this thread, and more eloquently than I could have put it, how important wives and women were to the Haruchai males.

One line always stayed in my mind however that really first pinned it for me from LFB.



Quote:
But Bannor stepped over to the dead wolf and pulled Grace's cord from around it's neck. Holding the cord in a fighting grip he stretched it taut.

"A good weapon," he said with his awkward inflectionlessness. "The Ramen did mighty work with it in the days when High Lord Kevin fought Corruption openly." Something in his tone reminded Covenant that the Bloodguard were lusty men who had gone unwived for more than two thousand years.

Then, on the spur of an obscure impulse, Bannor tightened his muscles, and the rope snapped. Shrugging slightly he dropped the pieces on the dead kresh.

_________________
Covenant recognized that this was a fact. But he had not expected such an argument from the Giant.
"Foamfollower'" he muttered, climbing out of his bed, "you've been thinking again."
from: "Lord Foul's Bane"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Yahoo Messenger
Fist and Faith
Magister Vitae


Joined: 01 Dec 2002
Posts: 17652

Thanks: 94
Thanked 88 Times in 84 Posts


6733 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Foul Duck1 Lord Mhoram's Victory1 2011 Watchies


PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes! Such moments are priceless!! Man!!

And hey, you gotta love a guy who can snap a rope by pulling on it like that! Shocked

Lament, I'm very happy you found the Watch!
_________________
We are not required to save the world. We are required to stand up as truly as we can for what we love. -SRD
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail MSN Messenger Phoogle Map
Haruchai
Giantfriend


Joined: 27 Mar 2004
Posts: 309

Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Times in 1 Posts

Location: Australia
4 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:


PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lament wrote:

Then, on the spur of an obscure impulse, Bannor tightened his muscles, and the rope snapped. Shrugging slightly he dropped the pieces on the dead kresh.


Very strong. Cool
_________________
"I see you keep a bee" - Danny Bhoy

"I'll move on when I'm ready to" - Reservoir Dogs

"Their pheremones fizzled like ice cream and lemonade" - Harvie Krumpet
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
Haruchai
Giantfriend


Joined: 27 Mar 2004
Posts: 309

Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Times in 1 Posts

Location: Australia
4 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:


PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a question about the Haruchai, but not specifically the Haruchai women. should I ask it here, or start a new thread?
_________________
"I see you keep a bee" - Danny Bhoy

"I'll move on when I'm ready to" - Reservoir Dogs

"Their pheremones fizzled like ice cream and lemonade" - Harvie Krumpet
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
hierachy
Lord

Male
Joined: 16 Sep 2003
Posts: 4811

Thanks: 2
Thanked 1 Times in 1 Posts


719 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:


PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

might aswell ask here I s'pose
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger Phoogle Map
Fist and Faith
Magister Vitae


Joined: 01 Dec 2002
Posts: 17652

Thanks: 94
Thanked 88 Times in 84 Posts


6733 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Foul Duck1 Lord Mhoram's Victory1 2011 Watchies


PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well how many threads have you started? I'm all in favor of asking questions in a relevant thread, if there is one. But if it's not relevant to Haruchai *women*, and you don't see a better thread for it (for example: http://kevinswatch.ihugny.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=812 http://kevinswatch.ihugny.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=811 http://kevinswatch.ihugny.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1754 http://kevinswatch.ihugny.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1837), there's nothing quite like the thrill of starting your own, brand-spankin'-new thread!!!! Ah, the rush! The feeling of power you get from knowing that everyone will see your name in the "Author" field!

*swooning*

Mr. Green What's your question?
_________________
We are not required to save the world. We are required to stand up as truly as we can for what we love. -SRD
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail MSN Messenger Phoogle Map
Cord Hurn
Servant Of The Band

MaleRanyhyn
Joined: 28 Oct 2013
Posts: 3754

Thanks: 863
Thanked 24 Times in 23 Posts

Location: Tucson, Arizona, USA
2220 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Plains of Ra1 Furls Fire1 Andelain


PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lament wrote:
It's been said in this thread, and more eloquently than I could have put it, how important wives and women were to the Haruchai males.

One line always stayed in my mind however that really first pinned it for me from LFB.



Quote:
But Bannor stepped over to the dead wolf and pulled Grace's cord from around it's neck. Holding the cord in a fighting grip he stretched it taut.

"A good weapon," he said with his awkward inflectionlessness. "The Ramen did mighty work with it in the days when High Lord Kevin fought Corruption openly." Something in his tone reminded Covenant that the Bloodguard were lusty men who had gone unwived for more than two thousand years.

Then, on the spur of an obscure impulse, Bannor tightened his muscles, and the rope snapped. Shrugging slightly he dropped the pieces on the dead kresh.


I have NEVER been able to understand this reference to Bannor being un-wived and lusty as to why he would admire the garrote and then break it. That passage never made ay sense to me. Could any of today's Watch members explain it? Confused
_________________
Jehannum
The Celebration of Spring

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Phoogle Map
wayfriend
whilom witling

Male
Joined: 21 Apr 2004
Posts: 18360

Thanks: 11
Thanked 192 Times in 177 Posts

Location: The world of the Bowling Green Massacre
41129 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:


PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cannot explain it, but I can tell you what I think it is. The Bloodguard desire nothing more than to fight Corruption. Not his minions, but the big baddie himself. So what hear in Bannor's tone is repressed and thwarted desire.

Of course, others have speculated that the breaking of the rope was sexual frustration, brought on by proximity to The Women of Ra. Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Thanked by: Cord Hurn
Avatar
Immanentizing The Eschaton


Joined: 02 Aug 2004
Posts: 53291

Thanks: 71
Thanked 143 Times in 140 Posts

Location: Johannesburg, South Africa
16281 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Pantheon Veteran


PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 for 3. Laughing

--A
_________________
Don't believe everything you think.

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Phoogle Map
Cord Hurn
Servant Of The Band

MaleRanyhyn
Joined: 28 Oct 2013
Posts: 3754

Thanks: 863
Thanked 24 Times in 23 Posts

Location: Tucson, Arizona, USA
2220 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Plains of Ra1 Furls Fire1 Andelain


PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wayfriend wrote:
I cannot explain it, but I can tell you what I think it is. The Bloodguard desire nothing more than to fight Corruption. Not his minions, but the big baddie himself. So what hear in Bannor's tone is repressed and thwarted desire.

Of course, others have speculated that the breaking of the rope was sexual frustration, brought on by proximity to The Women of Ra. Wink



I'll imagine it means both together, and that's good enough for me, WF! Cool
_________________
Jehannum
The Celebration of Spring

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Phoogle Map
DrPaul
Giantfriend


Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Posts: 432

Thanks: 3
Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts


2348 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:


PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the key point to be made about this is one that others have made. The Bloodguard's renunciation of their wives as one of the consequences of their Vow was a massive sacrifice, and was integral to the overall sacrifice of the lives of ordinary mortals that the Vow entailed. The circumstances in which the original Haruchai army of 500 took the Bloodguard Vow were arguably only possible because Haruchai society was, we can infer, a highly patriarchal one with strongly delineated gender roles. While exploring why Haruchai society was like that or how it got to be that way could be an interesting bit of backstory speculation in this forum, it is very likely beside the point in terms of what SRD was aiming to do with the Haruchai/Bloodguard in the story.

SRD posted a response to a question I posted in the GI that I think is relevant here, so I'll post both the question and the response.

Quote:
Dr Paul: Dear Stephen,

Some years ago I read an online discussion in which a contributor accused Star Trek of a particular ideological bias because no millionaires ever appeared in the series. About the same time I read one of David Brin's articles complaining about the tendency of fantasy writers to situate their stories in feudal monarchies rather than in liberal societies. More recently I have participated in a Kevin's Watch discussion prompted by a post suggesting that the Land in TCOTC was "backward" because it didn't have a monetary system. It seems to me that such views miss an important point about both SF and fantasy as genres. This is that much of the best of both genres would not be possible without both the freedom to imagine alternative social possibilities, and the challenge of convincingly exploring both the alternative social possibilities themselves and how people succeed or fail in making authentic choices within such contexts. What do you think?

It appears to me that this whole discussion proceeds from a false premise: that the function of storytelling is to portray societies. While this premise clearly holds true in some cases, it is far from being universally relevant. For many many writers, the society being portrayed is simply a means to an end. Context enables story. Why else do science fiction and fantasy exist? I don't write about Covenant because I want to portray a "backward" society. I portray a "backward" society because it frees me to tell Covenant's story the way I want to tell it. Similarly, I don't write about Angus Thermopyle and Morn Hyland because I want to portray an "advanced," corrupt society. I've imagined an "advanced," corrupt society because it enables me to tell the story of Angus and Morn.

Of course, being "convincing" is essential to good storytelling. No matter what story I'm telling, it will fail if I can't make the context convincing. So I have to understand that context well enough to pursue its implications consistently and even logically. But the context is *not* the point of the story.

For some other writers, of course, the context *is* the point of the story. A fair amount of hard sf comes to mind. To a certain extent, even LOTR comes to mind. During certain literary periods (say, Victorian England), a portrait of society was one of the expected requirements of a novel. Nonetheless I could easily spend the rest of the day listing exceptions.


(09/30/2010)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Thanked by: Cord Hurn
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Kevin's Watch Forum Index -> The First and Second Chronicles of Thomas Covenant All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3
Page 3 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by Earthpower © Kevin's Watch