E/G were bad but is there any scum lower than the Armigite?

danlo · Last edited by danlo on Tue May 11, 2004 4:26 pm; edited 2 times in total

Somehow I don't really expect any replys here, because who in their right mind would want to talk about this miserable coward? Scriven in Penance (Reave the Just) looks like saint compared to this guy. The Richard the III of MN if there ever was one. Just what made him so weak and pathetic? Use this topic as a punching bag, or something-yes there's a bunch of bad guys to choose from in MN but , nobody, nobody is worse than the Armigrite.

duchess of malfi · Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 4:17 pm Post subject:

I will respond. Wink

I saw this character as someone who is weak and afraid rather than actively evil. A sniveler...

He is certainly not a very attractive character, is he? Wink

Does anyone think he should have been punished further than what he was at the end of AMRT?
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Myste · Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 5:14 pm Post subject:

I would have kinda liked to see him strapped to the wheel of one of Alend's supply carts and used as a spare tire all the way to Orison ... Twisted Evil

. But I think that SRD was probably right to get him the way he did--left severely alone with his cowardice.

Not that SRD was attempting to make an argument for democratically-elected government, but I thought it was interesting that he was the only Lord who inherited the rule of his care after the wars for Mordant's creation. He didn't fight in them himself--it was his dad who did that. In that context, it's interesting that Armigite is the care closest to Alend (am I remembering right, danlo?), and Alend has the closest thing to an elective government there is among the three countries.

Armigite's lily-livered betrayal was purely political, and done entirely out of what he thought was self-preservation. Maybe sort of like the Vichy government in WWII? Despicable, but not absolutely evil?
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danlo · Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 5:42 pm Post subject:

Alend is bordered at the north with Alend. A large breach in the mountians make Armigrite directly accessible from Scarab. All of west Termigan boarders Armigite but, after the mountains, the terrian is rough and barren and requires a longer march.

danlo · Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 3:11 pm Post subject:

There are two other SRD characters kinda comparable to the Armigite: Milos Travener in The Gap Saga and Rant Absolain the ghaddi of Bhrathairealm in The One Tree. Rant is ruled out as he was completely under the power of the Kemper-but comparing Milos is rather interesting. Wink

Myste · Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 5:44 pm Post subject:

Wow, danlo, I never thought of that. I've thought about comparison b/t Terisa & TC, but....hmmm. Let me think. [Myste goes away for two hours and considers the problem during a very boring meeting, comes back at lunchtime]

(Just so people know, there's probably going to be a bunch of spoilers in this comparison!)

Rant is a full-blown tool of the Kemper. The Armigite 's utter cowardice leads him into treachery. Milos's actions are predicated on gaining, and maintaining, his power. And they all do their nasty deeds in order to save their own skins.

danlo · Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 6:12 pm Post subject:

I can see your point about Rant--prehaps the Kemper picked him simply because he was born with no spine? The power the Kemper has over the people and the ghaddi is pretty damm powerful, though-To hypnotize a strong person like Linden into doing his will with TC via his occular? Yikes!

Myste · Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 7:45 pm Post subject:

The ocular is definitely creepy. Not quite as creepy as the symbiont-baby thing (the term for which I can't remember at all), which is undoubtedly one of the most gruesome depictions of the "thing-sorcerors-use-to-hide/keep-their-hidden-life-in" device I've ever read. But still creepy in that it works so easily, so undeniably, so unalterably...

it makes me wonder where on Earth he got it.
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Revan · Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 12:14 pm Post subject:

I think there is another character that might be similar to the Armigite... Godsen (The Gap Saga)... He was a coward... and the only time he wasn't caused him to die... hmmm... Razz

Myste · Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:09 pm Post subject:

Godsen Frik, of course! <slaps forehead> A much better match for the Armigite than Milos. I believe the word for Godsen, Armigate, and possibly even the gaddhi is: Pusillanimous. (I'm working on my vocab for when Runes comes out.)

Milos, on the other hand, is a particularly creepy kind of weasel. Maybe more like Nyle, if Nyle wasn't a son of the Domne...?
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danlo · Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:57 pm Post subject:

Godsen, good God yes! Maybe we should start a poll somewhere about "most spineless SRD characters." Very Happy

Myste · Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 7:49 pm Post subject:

THAT is a genius idea. Go for it!
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danlo · Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 1:02 am Post subject:

Well who are the nominees, you guys have to help me with this; Scriven (or was he too cool?) The Armigrite, Godsen, the ghaddi, Milos, Drool Rockworm, who else can you think of? Nyle? No...

Revan · Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 10:18 am Post subject:

Wait Danlo! Be not so hasty in your demeaning of good Godsen... I mean he did discover loyalty in the end... and sided himself with Warden rather then the Dragon... Smile

Myste · Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 4:12 pm Post subject:

Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that even when Godsen tried to redeem himself, he failed. He was just too slimy to climb out of the pit he dug for himself--he kept sliding back to the bottom. And then when he finally made it almost to the top, he dropped again--with a big bang.

Anyway, I still think he should go on the poll. Uhm, slimy, slimy.....
I don't know Scriven (though I see from other posts that he's in "Penance"--I haven't read Reave the way I've read Daughter) but I'm all for it; Godsen, Milos, Armigite, Rant, Drool...what about somebody from Daughter of Regals? Count Thone? Scour? That naughty rebel?
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danlo · Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 4:29 am Post subject:

There is now a poll for "Most Spineless Character" in Gen. Discussion-thanks for your help guys! Very Happy

Myste · Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 1:22 pm Post subject:

Excellent! Very Happy

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Revan · Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 1:35 pm Post subject:

Cord Hurn · Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:36 pm Post subject:

The Armigite is selfish and cowardly, but there's no way in my mind that's he's worse than Eremis/Gilbur/Vagel/Festten, who use their powers to inflict horrible suffering upon the innocent.
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