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E/G were bad but is there any scum lower than the Armigite?

 
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2004 2:54 pm    Post subject: E/G were bad but is there any scum lower than the Armigite? Reply with quote

Somehow I don't really expect any replys here, because who in their right mind would want to talk about this miserable coward? Scriven in Penance (Reave the Just) looks like saint compared to this guy. The Richard the III of MN if there ever was one. Just what made him so weak and pathetic? Use this topic as a punching bag, or something-yes there's a bunch of bad guys to choose from in MN but , nobody, nobody is worse than the Armigrite.

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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2004 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will respond. Wink

I saw this character as someone who is weak and afraid rather than actively evil. A sniveler...

He is certainly not a very attractive character, is he? Wink

Does anyone think he should have been punished further than what he was at the end of AMRT?
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2004 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have kinda liked to see him strapped to the wheel of one of Alend's supply carts and used as a spare tire all the way to Orison ... Twisted Evil. But I think that SRD was probably right to get him the way he did--left severely alone with his cowardice.

Not that SRD was attempting to make an argument for democratically-elected government, but I thought it was interesting that he was the only Lord who inherited the rule of his care after the wars for Mordant's creation. He didn't fight in them himself--it was his dad who did that. In that context, it's interesting that Armigite is the care closest to Alend (am I remembering right, danlo?), and Alend has the closest thing to an elective government there is among the three countries.

Armigite's lily-livered betrayal was purely political, and done entirely out of what he thought was self-preservation. Maybe sort of like the Vichy government in WWII? Despicable, but not absolutely evil?
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2004 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alend is bordered at the north with Alend. A large breach in the mountians make Armigrite directly accessible from Scarab. All of west Termigan boarders Armigite but, after the mountains, the terrian is rough and barren and requires a longer march.
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2004 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are two other SRD characters kinda comparable to the Armigite: Milos Travener in The Gap Saga and Rant Absolain the ghaddi of Bhrathairealm in The One Tree. Rant is ruled out as he was completely under the power of the Kemper-but comparing Milos is rather interesting. Wink

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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2004 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, danlo, I never thought of that. I've thought about comparison b/t Terisa & TC, but....hmmm. Let me think. [Myste goes away for two hours and considers the problem during a very boring meeting, comes back at lunchtime]

(Just so people know, there's probably going to be a bunch of spoilers in this comparison!)

Rant is a full-blown tool of the Kemper. The Armigite 's utter cowardice leads him into treachery. Milos's actions are predicated on gaining, and maintaining, his power. And they all do their nasty deeds in order to save their own skins.

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My first instinct is to agree with you one hundred percent about Rant: he's so completely in thrall to the Kemper that he should be dismissed--unlike the Armigite and Milos, he doesn't have free will. But on further consideration, I wonder if maybe he isn't more like the Armigite than Milos is.

Milos betrays humanity to the Amnion in order to save his own measly hide in much the same way the Armigite betrays Mordant. In that, they're certainly similar. But Milos has a history of using his ability to betray people without remorse (I refer to his, uhm, 'buggering' for the guttergangs) not only to save his skin, but to gain power over other people. That's his entire goal--power. It's only when that power starts to unravel that he starts scrambling to save his skin.

On the other hand, both Rant and the Armigite give up. I don't have the book in front of me, but isn't Rant described at one point as seeming to be extremely uncomfortable in the Kemper's presence? Rant knows he's a tool, but is too abjectly terrified to so much as think of doing anything about it. The Armigite makes a deal with Alend to let them march through his Care, and the only stipulation he makes is that he know nothing about it. Both Rant and the Armigite are willing to sacrifice everthing and everyone just to save their own measly skins, with as little inconvenience to them as possible.

Milos, on the other hand, expects more recompense--he expects to be well-paid. Even when Warden Dios, Min Donner, and Hashi Lebwohl have sussed out his double-dealing on Com-Mine and taken away what appears to be all his power, he still takes what recompense he can, in the form of revenge on Angus. It's only when he comes down to the wire that he's willing to to bargain with the Amnion merely for his life.

So I guess what I'm saying is that Rant shouldn't be ruled out, and I don't agree with you at all. Very Happy Please don't eat me, danlo!
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2004 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see your point about Rant--prehaps the Kemper picked him simply because he was born with no spine? The power the Kemper has over the people and the ghaddi is pretty damm powerful, though-To hypnotize a strong person like Linden into doing his will with TC via his occular? Yikes!
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2004 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ocular is definitely creepy. Not quite as creepy as the symbiont-baby thing (the term for which I can't remember at all), which is undoubtedly one of the most gruesome depictions of the "thing-sorcerors-use-to-hide/keep-their-hidden-life-in" device I've ever read. But still creepy in that it works so easily, so undeniably, so unalterably...

it makes me wonder where on Earth he got it.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there is another character that might be similar to the Armigite... Godsen (The Gap Saga)... He was a coward... and the only time he wasn't caused him to die... hmmm... Razz
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Godsen Frik, of course! <slaps forehead> A much better match for the Armigite than Milos. I believe the word for Godsen, Armigate, and possibly even the gaddhi is: Pusillanimous. (I'm working on my vocab for when Runes comes out.)

Milos, on the other hand, is a particularly creepy kind of weasel. Maybe more like Nyle, if Nyle wasn't a son of the Domne...?
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Godsen, good God yes! Maybe we should start a poll somewhere about "most spineless SRD characters." Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THAT is a genius idea. Go for it!
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well who are the nominees, you guys have to help me with this; Scriven (or was he too cool?) The Armigrite, Godsen, the ghaddi, Milos, Drool Rockworm, who else can you think of? Nyle? No...
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait Danlo! Be not so hasty in your demeaning of good Godsen... I mean he did discover loyalty in the end... and sided himself with Warden rather then the Dragon... Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that even when Godsen tried to redeem himself, he failed. He was just too slimy to climb out of the pit he dug for himself--he kept sliding back to the bottom. And then when he finally made it almost to the top, he dropped again--with a big bang.

Anyway, I still think he should go on the poll. Uhm, slimy, slimy.....
I don't know Scriven (though I see from other posts that he's in "Penance"--I haven't read Reave the way I've read Daughter) but I'm all for it; Godsen, Milos, Armigite, Rant, Drool...what about somebody from Daughter of Regals? Count Thone? Scour? That naughty rebel?
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is now a poll for "Most Spineless Character" in Gen. Discussion-thanks for your help guys! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

danlo wrote:
There is now a poll for "Most Spineless Character" in Gen. Discussion-thanks for your help guys! Very Happy


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Armigite is selfish and cowardly, but there's no way in my mind that's he's worse than Eremis/Gilbur/Vagel/Festten, who use their powers to inflict horrible suffering upon the innocent.
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