Kevin's Watch Forum Index
 HomeHome   MemberlistMemberlist   RegisterRegister   SearchSearch   ProfileProfile   FAQFAQ   StatisticsStatistics  SudokuSudoku   Phoogle MapPhoogle Map 
 AlbumAlbum StoresStores   StoresItems Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Guidelines and Roundtable Discussion: please read
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Kevin's Watch Forum Index -> The Hegemony -> The Close
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
sgt.null
jack of odd trades; master of fun

MaleRanyhyn
Joined: 19 Jul 2005
Posts: 36315

Thanks: 32
Thanked 45 Times in 44 Posts

Location: texas
877 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 2007 Watchies1 2005 Watchies1 2011 Watchies


PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Savor Dam wrote:
Yes, the Close would be the most appropriate venue if you were to do that.

However, be aware it probably will come to a bad end...not eventually, but quite soon (at least the bad part, no promises about the end being soon.)


i shall star then. Smile
_________________
“life's not a paragraph
And death i think is no parenthesis”
― E.E. Cummings
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Phoogle Map
Savor Dam
Will Be Herd

MaleRanyhyn
Joined: 02 Mar 2009
Posts: 3105

Thanks: 24
Thanked 21 Times in 20 Posts

Location: Pacific NorthWet
1083 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 2009 Watchies1 Furls Fire1 Love


PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sgt.null wrote:
i shall star then. Smile

♫ You don't have to be a star, Sargie
To post in the Close... ♫
_________________
Love prevails.
~ Tracie Mckinney-Hammon
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Phoogle Map
sgt.null
jack of odd trades; master of fun

MaleRanyhyn
Joined: 19 Jul 2005
Posts: 36315

Thanks: 32
Thanked 45 Times in 44 Posts

Location: texas
877 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 2007 Watchies1 2005 Watchies1 2011 Watchies


PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Savor Dam wrote:
sgt.null wrote:
i shall star then. Smile

♫ You don't have to be a star, Sargie
To post in the Close... ♫


damn my spelling gets worse the later it gets - wonder why that is? the meds haven't even kicked in yet.
_________________
“life's not a paragraph
And death i think is no parenthesis”
― E.E. Cummings
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Phoogle Map
rusmeister
The individual is always wrong


Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 3210

Thanks: 147
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts

Location: Russia
26236 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:


PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sgt.null wrote:
hell, we have Christians attacking Christians in the close. being Catholic i am used to that (ever read the Jack Chick tracks?) but it is surprising to be attacked by someone who nominally agrees with you.

http://www.chick.com/default.asp

I am thinbking of posting a CHick thread - just not sure where. close?

Hi Sgt,

I, too, despise Jack Chick's works. If we have the truth, we should not be afraid to cast our opponents' views in their very best possible light - using their own words and teachings - before tearing them apart. Chick was the very opposite, in creating his purely imaginary versions - as he understood them, and not at all informed on actual Catholic teaching. Cartoonist propaganda that will backfire for anyone who learns better, as I did, and as I warned Z about.

Nevertheless, you have hit the nail on the head - "nominally" is the very word - in name, but not in fact. If someone nominally claims a faith which has a central authority, and then denies the teaching of that authority, then it's self-contradictory from the get-go. I don't know why that is so hard for people to understand. I hazard the explanation that the dogma of the freedom of the individual has lead to the justification of self-contradiction, as long as freedom of the individual is served by that contradiction. To say "I am Catholic" or "I am Orthodox" AND "But I'M going to decide which teachings of my Church I will accept" is how that contradiction of nominalism is played out. The name without the substance. The Cchurches have catechisms which you have to examine/go through before being received into the Church. For outsiders, that is the exact verb used - "Being received into the Church". You don't "join" it. You are received (or not) into it. It's a corporate entity, not a mere bunch of individuals that just so happen to agree on some points.

(I don't need to name names and am not pointing out anyone here. If a person does that, then the shoe fits, so let them wear it.)

I hope that provides a rational explanation for what has surprised you.
_________________
"Eh? Two views? There are a dozen views about everything until you know the answer. Then there's never more than one." Bill Hingest ("That Hideous Strength" by C.S. Lewis)

"These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own." G.K. Chesterton
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Fist and Faith
Magister Vitae


Joined: 01 Dec 2002
Posts: 16067

Thanks: 77
Thanked 56 Times in 52 Posts


86 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Foul Duck1 Lord Mhoram's Victory1 2011 Watchies


PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never heard of this Jack thing until a few days ago, with some post or other.

Anyway, I'm throwing out ideas. If nobody's gonna help me with it, I don't want to hear any complaining about things.
_________________
We are not required to save the world. We are required to stand up as truly as we can for what we love. -SRD

Mi alasharia la shantih, Darling Silezia.
Isaiah ShadowLurker, mi alasharia la shantih, shantih.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail MSN Messenger Phoogle Map
Fire Daughter
Sweet Grace

Female
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Posts: 577

Thanks: 2
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts

Location: Revelstone
2006 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Furls Fire


PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard there was some sort of argument in here somewhere concerning Mom? What was that about?
_________________
For Myles--
When evening shadows and the stars appear
And there is no one to dry your tears
I could hold you for a million years
To make you feel my love


For Mom--
Did you ever know that you're my hero,
and everything I would like to be?
I can fly higher than an eagle,
for you are the wind beneath my wings.

Fly...fly high against the sky...
Thank you, thank you, thank God for you
The wind beneath my wings


Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Fist and Faith
Magister Vitae


Joined: 01 Dec 2002
Posts: 16067

Thanks: 77
Thanked 56 Times in 52 Posts


86 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Foul Duck1 Lord Mhoram's Victory1 2011 Watchies


PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't know, Brooke. I heard part of it relayed, which seemed to say that rus said something that was taken out of context, or something.
_________________
We are not required to save the world. We are required to stand up as truly as we can for what we love. -SRD

Mi alasharia la shantih, Darling Silezia.
Isaiah ShadowLurker, mi alasharia la shantih, shantih.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail MSN Messenger Phoogle Map
Fire Daughter
Sweet Grace

Female
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Posts: 577

Thanks: 2
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts

Location: Revelstone
2006 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Furls Fire


PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh okay...is it all alright now?? I got a PM from rus and he said he was banned because of it??? Not sure what to say...I don't think Mom would want to be the reason for someone being banned. Sad
_________________
For Myles--
When evening shadows and the stars appear
And there is no one to dry your tears
I could hold you for a million years
To make you feel my love


For Mom--
Did you ever know that you're my hero,
and everything I would like to be?
I can fly higher than an eagle,
for you are the wind beneath my wings.

Fly...fly high against the sky...
Thank you, thank you, thank God for you
The wind beneath my wings


Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Savor Dam
Will Be Herd

MaleRanyhyn
Joined: 02 Mar 2009
Posts: 3105

Thanks: 24
Thanked 21 Times in 20 Posts

Location: Pacific NorthWet
1083 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 2009 Watchies1 Furls Fire1 Love


PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[jaw drops at the sheer chutzpah of this claim]

To have contacted you with a guilt trip along those lines...well, it is not right.

Yes, there have been some, most recently dAN today, who have mentioned rus having been disrespectful of Tracie -- which, to whatever extent it happened, took place while she still was among us. However, that was not what was at the heart of what happened to him here.

I have not been involved, so I will let others tell the story, but I just am flabbergasted that rus PMed you along the lines you indicate.
_________________
Love prevails.
~ Tracie Mckinney-Hammon
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Phoogle Map
[Syl]
Embattred


Joined: 26 Oct 2002
Posts: 12559

Thanks: 77
Thanked 48 Times in 46 Posts


138 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:


PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What else can he do? I love(d) Furls, in an internet kind of way, but I think she'd be uncomfortable with... well, I can't describe it, but the closest thing I can come up with is a kind of sacrosanct treatment. She didn't seem to care if someone disagreed with her; she was just unshakeable in her belief and her willingness to share it, or just share... friendship, in the true sense of the word, with everyone.

Rus may have disagreed with her beliefs (frankly, so do I, almost as much as I disagree with Rus'), but I think he still respects her memory, as I do. I think he was just trying to make that clear to those who continue her legacy. Understandable considering the accusations leveled against him.

While I'm on the subject, look at the Hall of Gifts. Out of six announcements, Furls-related threads compose four, two out of five stickies. I know it's intended to show respect, but I can't help thinking it's kind of shrine-like. It gives the pages a kind of sepulchral feel. On one hand, it's very fitting for the Hall of Gifts, but on the other, the resemblance is almost ironic. If I remember my Chrons, an argument can be made that the Hall takes away from the achievements by cloistering them.

What am I saying? I don't know. Not that we should let go, but we should... try to be a little more real about it.
_________________
"It is not the literal past that rules us, save, possibly, in a biological sense. It is images of the past. Each new historical era mirrors itself in the picture and active mythology of its past or of a past borrowed from other cultures. It tests its sense of identity, of regress or new achievement against that past.”
-George Steiner
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Fist and Faith
Magister Vitae


Joined: 01 Dec 2002
Posts: 16067

Thanks: 77
Thanked 56 Times in 52 Posts


86 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Foul Duck1 Lord Mhoram's Victory1 2011 Watchies


PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fire Daughter wrote:
Oh okay...is it all alright now?? I got a PM from rus and he said he was banned because of it??? Not sure what to say...I don't think Mom would want to be the reason for someone being banned. Sad

No, your mother would not want that. And no, it does not seem to be alright yet. I really don't want to get into the whole thing, and start an argument about it all. I'll just say that, from what I've seen of the situation, I think he was minunderstood/misinterpreted. There are long-standing issues with rus, which I think are serious. But I don't think this needs to be a part of it.
_________________
We are not required to save the world. We are required to stand up as truly as we can for what we love. -SRD

Mi alasharia la shantih, Darling Silezia.
Isaiah ShadowLurker, mi alasharia la shantih, shantih.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail MSN Messenger Phoogle Map
Savor Dam
Will Be Herd

MaleRanyhyn
Joined: 02 Mar 2009
Posts: 3105

Thanks: 24
Thanked 21 Times in 20 Posts

Location: Pacific NorthWet
1083 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 2009 Watchies1 Furls Fire1 Love


PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[Syl] wrote:
What else can he do?

I agree with everything Syl had to say, except the first sentence of his post, quoted above. While the scant months of interaction (here and in MSN chat) I had with Tracie made a profound difference in my life, I know she would cluck her tongue in disapproval at the pedestal we have placed her on. I feel she deserved and deserves it, but I know she would not.

My point above, to which Syl responded with "What else can he do?" is that rus is misdirecting the discussion of why he was subject to restrictions and why his handling of those restrictions may have been leading to more severe censure.

What else can he do? He certainly ought not be trying to make himself the victim of a non-existent witchhunt in order to avoid owning up to the behaviors that really did lead to the situation he now faces. Drawing FD into the discussion with claims that he is being chased from the Watch because of long-ago disagreements with Tracie is deceptive and manipulative. In my mind, doing so is much more offensive than any comment he may have made about Furls in the distant past.

What rus should do is accept with dignity the consequences of his extensive posting history and either submit to the discipline prescribed, or leave. He claims to be leaving, but that tune has been played before.
_________________
Love prevails.
~ Tracie Mckinney-Hammon
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Phoogle Map
Avatar
Immanentizing The Eschaton


Joined: 02 Aug 2004
Posts: 41517

Thanks: 47
Thanked 72 Times in 71 Posts

Location: Johannesburg, South Africa
7275 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Pantheon Veteran


PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, Rus' temporary ban has absolutely nothing to do with anything that may or may not have been said about Furls. I want to be clear about this...nothing at all.

As you can see in my post in his "Farewell" thread, it's being enforced solely for disregarding my request to briefly rein in some of his posting. And assuming I have my way, it is only temporary.

Hopefully a short break will encourage Rus to reassess his method of participation, after which we will all try again.

Clarified?

--A
_________________
Don't believe everything you think.

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Phoogle Map
Fist and Faith
Magister Vitae


Joined: 01 Dec 2002
Posts: 16067

Thanks: 77
Thanked 56 Times in 52 Posts


86 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Foul Duck1 Lord Mhoram's Victory1 2011 Watchies


PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah. The ban and the stuff about Tracie are not related. I just think there's enough crap going on that we don't need to have disucssions or fights about what he said and what he meant regarding her.
_________________
We are not required to save the world. We are required to stand up as truly as we can for what we love. -SRD

Mi alasharia la shantih, Darling Silezia.
Isaiah ShadowLurker, mi alasharia la shantih, shantih.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail MSN Messenger Phoogle Map
Fire Daughter
Sweet Grace

Female
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Posts: 577

Thanks: 2
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts

Location: Revelstone
2006 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Furls Fire


PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay...I was just trying to understand what was happening.
_________________
For Myles--
When evening shadows and the stars appear
And there is no one to dry your tears
I could hold you for a million years
To make you feel my love


For Mom--
Did you ever know that you're my hero,
and everything I would like to be?
I can fly higher than an eagle,
for you are the wind beneath my wings.

Fly...fly high against the sky...
Thank you, thank you, thank God for you
The wind beneath my wings


Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Kevin's Watch Forum Index -> The Hegemony -> The Close All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4
Page 4 of 4

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by Earthpower © Kevin's Watch