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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:25 am    Post subject: Norge? Reply with quote

I'm still only halfway through A Man Rides Through, just started Book Four... damn it, I liked Lebbick! Anyway - who is this Norge guy? Ok, he's cool, but he just enters the spotlight that late in the story... Did I miss any mention of him before?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2003 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm to the part where SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER and then SPOILER SPOILER. In other words, I'm ahead of you. I don't really know what role Norge plays in the plot either. :helpless shrug: I liked Lebbick too, though he got on my nerves sometimes.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a totally irrelevant point I just have to say that I have always had trouble relating to Norge because of his name.

The reason for this is that Norge is the native form of Norway (which is the english version of the name of the country). So for me this would be like if someone named a character "England" or "Canada".
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2003 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always liked Norge as a character. He is never mentioned, as far as I can recall, earlier in the story though. When he first appears is the first we have heard of him.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryzel wrote:
As a totally irrelevant point I just have to say that I have always had trouble relating to Norge because of his name.


Similar for me with Geraden. In German, it's the plural of Gerade, which means straight line. Bad name for a dude who can barely walk straight without tumbling over. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2003 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh. Didn't know that about Geraden's name. That is pretty funny. Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2003 6:17 pm    Post subject: re Reply with quote

I liked Norge...very phlegmatic guy, that's cool though...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norge is a pretty straight forward guy. I always got nervous whenever Lebbick was in a scene...he always seemed to about to do something violent. Norge is quite sane in comparison. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norge is from Tor-and because of that shares a very special moment with the Tor in the second book. But I'll hold off on that, for now, so we don't spoil certian people ( Wink ) right away.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just seeing Sev's name pop up as the originator of the thread brought back memories.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do like Norge! Very Happy

I liked it just before the battle. When The King said something like:

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Norge shugged with such a little show of enthusiasm that King Joyse chuckled. "Make an effort to stay awake Castellan, our lives may become quite stimulating".
Norge allowed himself a wan smile.


A nice moment. Sorry if I got anything wrong in that last post... I was writing it off the top of my head. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great quote Darth! Shocked Excellent memory! Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

danlo wrote:
Great quote Darth! Shocked Excellent memory! Cool


Thanks! Very Happy Hail

I think it's sad that we don't

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked this quote about Norge:

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His immunity to distress was remarkable. Peering into the captain's face, the Tor began to remember him better. It was possible that Castellan Lebbick had promoted Norge simply because Norge was the only man who under him who never flinched.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It always seemed to me that Norge was one of those characters who show up because the author needs them. He's basically a tool for SRD.
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His entire purpose in the story is to give the Tor a 2nd-in command, someone to back him up when the king disappears to save Queen Madin, and someone to help get him and the army to Esmerel.


IMHO, he's one of the most contrived characters in the book, mainly because his use as a keep-the-plot-moving device is so obvious. I'm totally willing to suspend my disbelief in the case of mirrors that show and translate people to different universes, to inhabit a world (however temporarily) where ritually scarred swordsmen dream of blood and do nothing but try to kill people; where Kings play checkers and madmen are out to save the world.

But Norge just reads like a tool to me, and though the descriptions of him are wonderful, they don't do him justice. SRD usually camouflages his tools/devices much better. So it's sort of disappointing.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I argee...if we were introduced to him earlier in cleverer way it would have been much more interesting (like, at least, getting drunk with the Tor and talking about home or being the man who reports back after chasing Kragen [after the Nyle meeting]...or some such device). But after Lebbick and aside from Ribald (and Artagel turning down the position) someone had to assume the position-it just happened to be Norge... Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found it a bit strange that Norge just appeared out of thin air after Gart's attack, it feels like SRD suddenly decided to kill Lebbick at that point, or had initially intended to appoint Ribuld as the Castellan and then changed his mind. I'd have expected a cameo or two from Norge earlier on, a bit like we had with Amorine in TC.

That said I do like the character. The way he calmly picked off Gart's apts in the midst of the attack provided a great image. We also find out that Norge's essential calm is not without it's limits when he is faced with the slug-beast.

I agree with Revan that Spoiler:
Norge's death deserved a few more column inches. Half a line doesn't really do him justice, and I wasn't even sure he was dead for a couple of chapters. It feels like his death was shoe-horned in so that Darsint could be given something to do in the epilogue, and further adds to the feeling that Norge is a stop-gap character. I don't think SRD was really in a position to do much else though, as we see Norge's death from Terisa's perspective, and it probably would have spoiled the narration to cut back to the battle at that point.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever you may say about him. Norge remains, in my mind, a flat character. He is really one of the few characters in the series that I can completely forget about. (and did, till you jogged my memory). I spent the whole damn day reading SRDs gradual interview (damn that thing is long) and he mentioned that Lebbick is one of his favorite characters. Hence- Death. Donaldson really loves his tragic figures doesn't he?

Took me a second reading to like Lebbick. When I read the books in 7th grade, I hated his guts.

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What was this post called again? Oh yeah, Norge. He really does come out of nowhere to play an insignificant (in my mind at least) role.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair, Norge was rather under-developed. I just liked what little we saw of him. By the end of the first book I pretty much hated Lebbick too but, ironically, I started to like him more after the Saddith incident. It was after this point that we had some passages from his perspective, and you need those if you are to understand a character with such internal toment. I imagine SRD didn't intend the reader to have much sympathy for Lebbick before those chapters.
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