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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've always maintained that the 2nd should be entitled (or subtitled) "The Chronicles of Linden Avery". But that being said, I like the 2nd overall better than the 1st, and she's a big part of why.


Would that make the Last Chronicles "The Second Chronicles of Linden Avery"? Shocked I agree that Linden does a lot towards making the 2nd Chronicles good, but she IS the Last Chronicles, which I also like quite a bit Smile I hated Linden through several readings of the Second Chrons. but somewhere along the line I flip-flopped. (Possibly after Fatal Revenant?)

I really can't say which Chronicles I like the best. It's sort of like picking my favorite Indiana Jones movie. It kind of depends on which one I read (watched) last! Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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IrrationalSanity wrote:
I've always maintained that the 2nd should be entitled (or subtitled) "The Chronicles of Linden Avery". But that being said, I like the 2nd overall better than the 1st, and she's a big part of why.


Would that make the Last Chronicles "The Second Chronicles of Linden Avery"? Shocked I agree that Linden does a lot towards making the 2nd Chronicles good, but she IS the Last Chronicles, which I also like quite a bit Smile I hated Linden through several readings of the Second Chrons. but somewhere along the line I flip-flopped. (Possibly after Fatal Revenant?)

I really can't say which Chronicles I like the best. It's sort of like picking my favorite Indiana Jones movie. It kind of depends on which one I read (watched) last! Wink


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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linden makes the Chronicles better. It's demonstrable.
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Linden makes the Chronicles better. It's demonstrable.


Being at hard core THOOLAH member you'd think I'd disagree but I don't.
Linden does make the Chronicles better but also worse.
She's integral as her relationship with TC adds much needed depth to his character as we transition from the first to the second chronicles. However large doses of Linden Avery make me wince.

I've noticed that at least some supporters of Linden are also bigger fans of the second and third chronicles which I find unsurprising.

I was introduced to The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant months before The Wounded Land was released so I became a huge fan of the series solely by reading the first trilogy. I believe this is a major reason why I don't care for Linden taking center stage and of course making the colossal mistake of not being as interesting to me as Covenant is.
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know.....I just don't know......I want to still want to hate her but the Last Dark changed everything.

Everything I disliked about her was made beautiful, even the sick killing of her parents brought tears to my eyes when Moksha tried to use it against Jeremiah.....
Damn it!
Covenant credits her with saving everything...
Damn it!!
She kicked serious ass throughout the Last Chronicles....
Damn it, damn it, DAMN IT!!!!!



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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't know.....I just don't know......I want to still want to hate her but the Last Dark changed everything.

Everything I disliked about her was made beautiful, even the sick killing of her parents brought tears to my eyes when Moksha tried to use it against Jeremiah.....
Damn it!
Covenant credits her with saving everything...
Damn it!!
She kicked serious ass throughout the Last Chronicles....
Damn it, damn it, DAMN IT!!!!!



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Your comments make me sad. Big Grin
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wayfriend wrote:
Linden makes the Chronicles better. It's demonstrable.

(This is an excerpt from an unfinished work titled Thomas and Linden. It's rough, but I am probably never going to finish it. I wrote this back around ... oh, 2008 or so.)

So, to the point:

[edit: I moved my excerpt here. Sorry. Just trying to avoid polluting the forum with the same posts.]


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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wayfriend, reading through your commentary I struggle to find anything that I disagree with. Your evaluation is well thought out and reasoned. It is a valuable piece of work and I encourage you to finish writing it.
By the way I wouldn't call it rough. Smile

For myself my dislike of Linden Avery doesn't really have anything to do with what makes her important to the story or why she only makes Thomas Covenant a more dynamic and interesting character.
But that's just me.
The truth is many characters generate a polarized fan base.

Some people actually like Negan from the Walking Dead.

I happen to love broccoli but I know many people that absolutely hate it.

As I've said before I am a dedicated member of THOOLAH because it suits my honest feelings.

Even if one of its founders has strayed off the path...I'm looking at you HLT. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't arguing against anything you said ... Glurp. I just like posting stuff.

So let's just agree that THOOLAH is silly and move on. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wayfriend, did you ever finish your cosmology thing you were writing? I thought you were going to put out what you thought the Worm represented and the Elohim....everything.
A Grand Unified Theory of the Landverse if you will.
Was that you or was I just smoking crack?

And if it wasn't you....why don't you? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wayfriend wrote:
I wasn't arguing against anything you said ... Glurp. I just like posting stuff.


Its all good, WF. Big Grin

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So let's just agree that THOOLAH is silly and move on. Smile


Yes, THOOLAH is silly but to where will we move on...to?
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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2017 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

THOOLAH!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely THOOLAH!

The Last Dark changed nothing for me as far as that goes.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lately I've been thinking that maybe I was wrong about Linden and that she may actually be a worthy...NAH.

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THOOLAH!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long live THOOLAH!!!

I just love to shout that out every once in a while.

She's not going to be in the new SRD series, is she? Dear lord, I hope not...

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems THOOLAH got it wish...
No more Linden Avery in the Land books.

Those who liked Linden got their wish too.
She lived on after the story ends...

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