Israeli Scientists to Find Cure For Cancer . . .

Zarathustra · Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:36 pm Post subject:

Ha, I was just going to post that O can speak for himself, and his meaning was clear. I don't need it explained to me. I find such explanations to be condescending and insulting.

Ban her!

Just kidding.

I think what you're saying, Orlion, is so obvious that it doesn't really need to be said. OF COURSE we are going to be skeptical of an alleged scientific discovery until it proves to be true. No one said otherwise.

So the question is, why point it out? I think that what we choose to be skeptical of--and what we go out of our way to tell others we're skeptical of--reveals hidden motivations. This question goes more to Wos, the authors of his article, and the article's critics, not you. Why did they take the time to say the obvious? It's not like the global warming debate where one side has a theory and the other side tries to poke holes in it. There is literally nothing to criticize yet. So why are there critics already?

It's like creationists saying, "But evolution is just a theory!" Well, yeah, what's your point? Tell me what's wrong with the theory. The criticism is so obvious as to be tautological.

These claims are not yet proven. No one ever claimed they were. No one can point out a single thing that the researchers have said that is false. So why preemptively criticize it? If you read through Wos's article, you'll find that several people were asked for a comment, and they responded (appropriately!), "I can't comment because I don't know anything about it." Yeah, exactly!

People are rooting for Israel to fail. Just as surely as people are high-fiving the fact that Cail was banned. I think hiding behind "scientific skepticism" or "he broke the rules" is merely the veneer of legitimacy over something much darker. While technically true, it doesn't dispel the sense of malicious intent.
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TheFallen · Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:23 pm Post subject:

Skyweir · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:15 am Post subject:

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Rawedge Rim · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:50 am Post subject:

I have a healthy amount of skepticism about this claim. Cancer isn't just one disease, but a host of them, and a number of conditions. It can be caused by virus', chemicals, genetics, radiological exposure, etc.

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SoulBiter · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:55 am Post subject:

Hey!!! Dont mess with my snake oil medicine!!!!
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Skyweir · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:09 am Post subject:

I didnt consider the breadth and diversity of cancers till O pointed it out .. mmm ... skepticism seems justified.
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Vraith · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:48 pm Post subject:

kevinswatch · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:29 pm Post subject:

I think it's funny that when people are skeptical of something (especially something very unlikely) it's automatically because it's due to some evil, deep-seated political hatred.

Rather then simply being skeptical.

I also think it's funny that you all are bitching about Cail still. Get over it.

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kevinswatch · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:37 pm Post subject:

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kevinswatch · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:08 pm Post subject:

You are correct, I apologize.

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Zarathustra · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:31 pm Post subject:

Vraith · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:31 pm Post subject:

Some people probably ARE hoping Israel doesn't find the cure. Screw them. But it's nothing like MOST, or even a number big enough to even think about. It's unlikely a significan't/meaningful percentage even among Muslims.

I don't pick Muslims over Jews. I don't even know anyone who does. [[I don't pick Jews over Muslims, either---I find it totally ir-pissing-relevant.]]

I don't hate Israel as an entity...but it SOMETIMES acts in ways that are criminal, nasty, bigoted, unnecessary, and deadly.
It ALSO, whatever it is now, will eventually be a place of horror BECAUSE it is nearly a theocracy, and heading more in that direction.

Much of this problem was manufactured/created by the West, and would have been solved if it weren't for the Russia/China/U.S. total violence-backing immersion in their affairs.

Lot's of people deny climate change, human cause---and the fact is those who say "it won't hurt much" are wrong [[you specifically are wrong, unless you've changed your opinion that "all the climate models have been proven wrong"]]...it's ALREADY causing as much as they thought it could at most, and it's getting worse.
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Skyweir · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:55 pm Post subject:

I tend to agree. I did read the article and I think more is being made out about anti Israel sentiment than is relevant.

Z if I recall correctly you led with an assumption of this kind. I could go back and quote your intro post but maybe next time.

I agree that its way more likely that the general reception of this news would be and is HUZZAH .. I personally didnt look in to the status of the scientific teams development.

Thanks to O and someone else mentioned a few relevant factors .. and then I kinda geared down from ecstatic to hopeful. But no where on that spectrum was anti Israel or anti Semitic.

I guess there is a distinct difference from my perspective between anti Semitic and anti Netenyahu. A big difference between anti Semitic and anti Zionist also.

Quite often criticisms against Israel are viewed as anti Semitic when in reality they are not at all. Particularly given the sizeable Jewish community support that exists that opposes the current Israeli government's approach to Palestine and issues along the Gaza Strip.

So that needs to be clearly understood imv.
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kevinswatch · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:19 am Post subject:

To me it sounds like you're making a big deal about nothing.

Zarathustra · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:44 am Post subject:

The point is that a) Israel is awesome and b) people don't give them enough credit. I don't care if that annoys anyone. It's a weird thing to get annoyed about.
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kevinswatch · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:27 am Post subject:

You're the one who started making this a political thing by posting it here.

And sure, I understand. I find things weird too. Like when people make a topic to talk about how awesome Israel is (which is fine) and then take pot shots at Palestine for no reason ("None came from the Palestinians").

Very odd.

-jay

Hashi Lebwohl · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:28 am Post subject: