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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why do Democrats spend so much time opposing the First Amendment?



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We don't need any members dying or being sent to prison.

That does make you wonder why The Left supports Iran so fervently all of a sudden, I have to admit.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We don't need any members dying or being sent to prison.

That does make you wonder why The Left supports Iran so fervently all of a sudden, I have to admit.
Because they will stoop to any low to make sure we know that Orange Man is indeed Bad. If that means that homosexuals have to deal with being burned in cages, then so be it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's funny how easily the Left is triggered by clothing, make up, rodeo clown masks. What used to pass as political satire is now "hate."

Except, bizarrely, they aren't triggered when Dems or Lefties are the ones wearing black face (for instance). If you're Lefty enough, you can get away with it.

"Muslim" is not a race. Clothing is not a religion. The Ayatollah is not Iran. Posting such a picture doesn't mean you're anti-Muslim, anti-Islam, nor anti-Iran. It means exactly what it says: Dems supporting the Ayatollah. Anything else is just added by the eye of the beholder--because they hate Trump. (So the only hate here is happening on this side of the picture.)

Would it be racist or anti-Italian to put Nancy in Pope garb to make fun of her inconsistent religious stances? No. Because any race can be Catholic, as well as anyone from any country.

There really is no need to put words in people's mouths when they go to the trouble of spelling out exactly what their meaning is, for instance, adding a caption to a picture.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pffft, we should be so lucky that cities would burn on his re-election. Very Happy

Instead, people will moan about the fairness of elections, about the influence of others, and about whatever else they feel is responsible for their failure to unseat him. They will post angry posts on social media, and other people will post angry rebuttals. Nothing really noticeable will change, except you'll all hate each other a little more maybe.

A bit confused by the whole "threatening to cut off access to [their own] oil money if they expel US troops" though. I thought Trump wanted the troops out?

Anyway, meh. I have literally given up caring about him or what he does. He is, I sometimes think, just a sign of the times. A parody.

I've long since been resigned to another 4 years. Whatever happens will happen. And like I said, it will probably be mostly nothing. If we ignore him for long enough, he will go away. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Instead, people will moan about the fairness of elections, about the influence of others, and about whatever else they feel is responsible for their failure to unseat him. They will post angry posts on social media, and other people will post angry rebuttals. Nothing really noticeable will change, except you'll all hate each other a little more maybe.


They won't be able to blame 2020 on Russian influence, which is about the only change we will have.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why do Democrats spend so much time opposing the First Amendment?

Why do you spend so much time painting disagreement and disgust as an attack on the First Amendment? Doesn't the 1st argue freedom to express disagreement and express disgust?

And do you EVER have a fact-based point to make?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nurse.... mirror for Wayfriend YET AGAIN please.

Hashi Lebwohl wrote:
They won't be able to blame 2020 on Russian influence, which is about the only change we will have.
Are you quite sure about that, Hashi?

You've surely seem the claims being trumpeted by Dems that Russia's attempted to hack Burisma (presumably at the request of Trump, I guess the suggested narrative is? We know how pally he and Vlad the Impaler are, after all... Mueller clearly proved that Rolling Eyes )

I would find it truly hysterically funny if real evidence about Biden's abuse of position while VP came to light, regardless of how such evidence was obtained.

Either way, I'd say there are by now clear initial signs of desperate Dem efforts to get their barely credible ducks in a line to explain away the impending 2020 defeat that they are without a doubt facing.

Dems, why not just write off the majority of the US electorate as "deplorables"? That's always a good plan... not arrogant, supercilious, alienating and divisive in the least - plus it's the only thing that can *possibly* make sense, given the universally accepted truth that Dem thinking can never be wrong.

Anyhow, whyever should you even continue to worry about and support democracy when the majority keeps screwing it up, lapsing into WrongThink and disagreeing with you?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hashi Lebwohl wrote:
Why do Democrats spend so much time opposing the First Amendment?

Why do you spend so much time painting disagreement and disgust as an attack on the First Amendment? Doesn't the 1st argue freedom to express disagreement and express disgust?

And do you EVER have a fact-based point to make?


I think his point is based in the fact that the Left not merely expresses disagreement and disgust (i.e. their own opinions/feelings), but tries to paint the speech which elicits these responses as "hate speech" (i.e. the feelings of some other speaker). If you guys would just stick to voicing your own feelings, rather than attributing negative feelings to other people in order to shame/shun them into silence, then we wouldn't have this impression that the Left tries to shut down speech they don't like. There is nothing hateful about Trump's retweet. It's silly, not angry. No one thinks he actually hates Iran or Muslims, despite what the spin doctors say. But "hate" is used as a label to justify censorship in many contexts. Just because we're lucky enough to have a first amendment which limits the government from such censorship doesn't mean that the Left wouldn't take away this right if they could. Indeed, in many places where they can, that's exactly what they do. Not only in England or in various U.S. corporations, but government officials like the Mayor of Portland who tried to ban alt-right demonstrations from happening in downtown Portland, claiming that "hate speech" isn't protected by the first amendment.

And don't forget that it was Obama's IRS that targeted conservative groups who were trying to exercise their first amendment rights. If Trump was using the IRS to stop liberal groups from exercising their rights, you'd be howling about how he's rigging the election.

Hell, he can't even post a silly picture of Schiff in a turban without you claiming that it's evidence he has rigged the election! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Comparing the 3 years before Trump to the 3 years after Trump...

the S&P 500 was up 31% for Obama, up 56% for Trump
manufacturing was up 1.7% before, up 3.6% after
manufacturing jobs up 287,000 before, up 487,000 after
unemployment fell 2.1% before, fell 1.3% after
wages of nonsupervisory workers up $0.32/hour before, up $0.28/hour after

Krugman predicted that Trump's election would precipitate a global recession; that prediction should negate his status as an expert

Yes, the tarriffs were a bad idea but with historically-low unemployment, job growth, increased wages, the USMCA, and the China trade deal Trump delivered on the economy. That usually drives votes in November.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you guys would just stick to voicing your own feelings, rather than attributing negative feelings to other people in order to shame/shun them into silence, then we wouldn't have this impression that the Left tries to shut down speech they don't like.


I agree with that, but the shaming / shunning and attribution of negative feelings / intentions goes both ways I feel.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Av, I challenge you to provide an example of anyone on the Right accusing anyone here of hate speech. Hell, we can widen our scope to the entire country, and you still won't be able to find an example.

If you have something else in mind, feel free to post it.

We've had members here (like WF and Sky) literally say that we should be ashamed for the opinions we have--despite the hostile and chilling effect this has on Tank discourse, which they ostensibly support, when the shoe is on the other foot. Not that we should be ashamed for saying "mean" or rude things, but for the political opinions we have, such as support for Trump.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Av, I challenge you to provide an example of anyone on the Right accusing anyone here of hate speech. Hell, we can widen our scope to the entire country, and you still won't be able to find an example.

If you have something else in mind, feel free to post it.

We've had members here (like WF and Sky) literally say that we should be ashamed for the opinions we have--despite the hostile and chilling effect this has on Tank discourse, which they ostensibly support, when the shoe is on the other foot.
Wayfriend's signature is literally calling people who disagree with him, "white supremacists", and the mods and admins have done nothing about it.

Take from that what you will.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wayfriend's signature is literally calling people who disagree with him, "white supremacists", and the mods and admins have done nothing about it.

Take from that what you will.


Wayfriend is entitled to his opinion and you know how I feel about Free Speech--I support other people voicing an opinion even if I disagree with it, even if their opinion seeks to denigrate me. Calling me some nasty name does not make me the nasty name.

Trump has become the first POTUS to attend the March for Life. This year is the 47th pro-life march in Washington, D. C.

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Wayfriend's signature is literally calling people who disagree with him, "white supremacists", and the mods and admins have done nothing about it.

Take from that what you will.


Wayfriend is entitled to his opinion and you know how I feel about Free Speech--I support other people voicing an opinion even if I disagree with it, even if their opinion seeks to denigrate me. Calling me some nasty name does not make me the nasty name.
Oh absolutely. I was just citing another example to bolster Zara's point.
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Oh absolutely. I was just citing another example to bolster Zara's point.


Ah so. I concur--the viciousness is pretty lopsided.
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Wayfriend's signature is literally calling people who disagree with him, "white supremacists", and the mods and admins have done nothing about it.

Take from that what you will.


It would be interesting to see if WF could support the statement his signature holds in it. What has been posted here in the Tank or on this forum that makes him believe that this is a platform for White Nationalist Propoganda"?
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Wayfriend's signature is literally calling people who disagree with him, "white supremacists", and the mods and admins have done nothing about it.

Take from that what you will.


It would be interesting to see if WF could support the statement his signature holds in it. What has been posted here in the Tank or on this forum that makes him believe that this is a platform for White Nationalist Propoganda"?
I suspect the answer is, "they disagree with me".
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wayfriend - open challenge.
Prove your signature.
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