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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh thats lovely .. the church imposed their own taxes on the masses Rolling Eyes and occasionally WHEN requested the church might defer that umm debt, or if the bastards were lucky maybe even excuse it .. and in times of significant population losses the church might allow chaste married persons to serve in the clergy.


Interesting to identify what qualified as a chaste marital relationship 🤔

And if it qualified then, why it wouldnt also be applicable today 🤔

And incestuous relations were blessed during times of Black Death and or plague. Not sure what the justification for that would be 🤔

How very adaptive the church was capable of being during the darkest of ages.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And incestuous relations were blessed during times of Black Death and or plague. Not sure what the justification for that would be 🤔


30% of the population of Europe was dead.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Polish historian questions German researcher's claims about wartime pope [In-Depth]

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Pope Pius XII gives a blessing at the end of a radio message Sept. 1, 1943. (Credit: CNS photo)


A top Polish historian has questioned claims by German researchers that newly opened Vatican archives contain information damning the role played by Pope Pius XII during World War II.

"This team has the advantage of having been to these archives, and we must face the truth calmly if some major new discovery is made," said Jan Zaryn, one of Poland's foremost church historians.

"But I've never personally encountered a situation in which 11 volumes of material, published over two decades, are suddenly countermanded by a single document, found after a few days' research."

Father Hubert Wolf, a professor at the University of Munster, Germany, said that, after an early March visit to the Vatican Apostolic Archives, his team had found proof that the Vatican knew of the Nazi mass killing of Jews but denied it to diplomats.

In a May 1 interview with Catholic News Service, Zaryn said diplomatic sources had long confirmed that the pope, with Allied governments, had learned of the Holocaust by late 1942, adding that St. Paul VI had agreed to publish wartime letters and documents from the archives early in order to "end the campaigns" against his predecessor.

"In his 1942 Christmas message, Pius XII condemned the mass murders; although he did this in his own language and didn't mention Germans and Jews by name, the message was censored by the Third Reich, since it was obvious what the pope was referring to," said Zaryn, a former senator and expert with Poland's National Remembrance Institute.

"When the Germans entered Italy and occupied Rome, it was clear that words of public condemnation would merely heighten dangers that the Vatican itself would be seized, compromising the rescue of Jews. This is confirmed by numerous documents," Zaryn said.

The director of the German Historical Institute in Rome, Martin Baumeister, also warned against "sensational reports," telling Germany's Catholic news agency, KNA, that any material would have to be "compared, checked and weighed to ensure the new knowledge is useful."

Wolf headed a team of seven from the University of Munster's theology faculty to the Vatican, after its Pius XII archive, containing at least 200,000 boxes with over 2 million documents, was opened to historians March 2 after nine years' preparation.

The archive was closed a few days later due to Italy's coronavirus pandemic, forcing the team to return home.

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Catholic priests, nuns were among those killed by Nazis

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The watchtower and barbed wire fence are seen at the memorial site of the former Nazi concentration camp, Dachau. (Credit: CNS photo/KNA)


WARSAW, Poland -- The Nazis' systematic persecution and genocide led to the deaths of 6 million Jews in Europe, but Catholic priests and nuns were also among their victims.

Half of all Poland's Catholic priests, monks and nuns suffered repression during the six years of World War II, with more than 2,800 killed at Nazi and Soviet hands. Researchers like Anna Jagodzinska of Poland's National Remembrance Institute say clergy were particularly targeted as upholders of national culture and identity.

Of the nearly 2,800 clergy of all denominations incarcerated at the Nazi concentration camp of Dachau, 1,773 were priests from Poland, of whom 868 were killed. Others were subjected to exhausting labor and pseudo-medical experiments.

Despite the horrors, many priests witnessed to the faith by hearing confessions and staging secret Masses, also offering practical and spiritual support to fellow inmates.

Catholic clergy of various nationalities died as martyrs at other Nazi-run camps, including the largest, Auschwitz-Birkenau, whose 1.2 million mostly Jewish victims included St. Maximilian Kolbe and St. Edith Stein, also known as St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross.

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Research on the wartime martyrs was encouraged by St John Paul II, not least in his 1994 apostolic letter, "Tertio Millennio Adveniente," which compared them to the holiness of the initial Christians.

In St. John Paul's native Poland, which lost a fifth of its population under Nazi occupation, including 90 percent of its 3 million-strong Jewish minority, the National Remembrance Institute has worked with historians across Europe to build up a database of victims.

At least 1.8 million Poles were also sent to Soviet labor camps by Soviet occupation forces; many Catholic clergy who survived Nazi repression later died at communist hands.

"While the Nazis eliminated clergy as a barrier to Germanization, later communist governments prohibited any acknowledgment of Catholic martyrs to aid their own anti-church campaign," Jagodzinska told Catholic News Service.

"Martyrdom is always martyrdom, whenever people die for their faith, and their stories still attract great public interest, while much material still awaits study for handing on to the next generation," she said.

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tis a dark period in Catholicism re their collaboration with wartime fascism... more especially Mussolini but nevertheless
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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am wondering if he is going to post any articles about the priests or bishops who helped some Nazis escape to South America....
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In China, the oldest known figurine yet has been discovered:

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Corrected history: Authors debunk myths tied to church controversies [In-Depth]

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The signature of astronomer Galileo Galilei from the records of his trial is seen on a document in the Vatican Apostolic Archives. A new book, "Vatican Secret Archives: Unknown Pages of Church History," looks at various historical episodes in the history of the church by consulting documents housed in the Vatican Apostolic Archives. (Credit: CNS photo/Vatican Apostolic Archives)


ROME -- The Inquisition, the Crusades, the trial of the Knights Templar, the condemnation of Galileo Galilei and the role of Pope Pius XII during World War II are just a few "hot" historical events in the life of the church that can still today ignite controversy and fiery debate.

However, most people only have a vague notion of what those events were about, with facts colored or clouded by political censorship, social biases and urban legends fueled by fictionalized accounts made popular in film and other media.

Grzegorz Gorny and Janusz Rosikon -- two Polish journalists -- wanted to debunk some of the myths and fill in the gaps with their illustrated book, Vatican Secret Archives: Unknown Pages of Church History, which was published in English by Ignatius Press.

After co-authoring a number of books on such themes as St. Faustina Kowalska, the relics of Christ and the events at Fatima, "we decided to familiarize people with the turbulent history of this extraordinary institution (the Vatican archives) and with various controversial episodes regarding the history of the church as seen through the prism of the documents housed in the Vatican Secret Archives," Gorny told Catholic News Service in an email response to questions.



This is the cover of the book, "Vatican Secret Archives: Unknown Pages of Church History," by Grzegorz Gomy and Janusz Rosikon. The book looks at various historical episodes in the history of the church by consulting documents housed in the Vatican Apostolic Archives. (Credit: CNS photo/courtesy Ignatius Press)


To learn from and assess the past correctly, "one must first thoroughly and accurately ascertain the facts," which is why the two journalists visited what are now called the Vatican Apostolic Archives and others. They also met with numerous historians to look at controversial figures and events from a different point of view, they said in the book's introduction.

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The book's release was timed to coincide with the March opening of the Vatican archival material relating to the wartime period under Pope Pius XII. The last chapter is devoted to how the pope became the center of controversy with accusations he did not say enough publicly against Nazi atrocities and to what Jesuit historian, Father Peter Gumpel, and others have found in available archives.

"There's just no question that that pope has been terribly slandered," said Vivian Dudro, senior editor at Ignatius Press.

"But, how do you interpret his silence? How are you going to weigh the man's actions when so many of them were deliberately kept secret for reasons of safety and security of the people he was trying to help? When someone's been silent and his actions have been covered up, how are you supposed to know what he did?" she said.

Historians expect it will take years of combing through the Vatican's newly available documents to get an even better and clearer understanding of what happened and why.

"History teaches us that life is the art of making decisions," Gorny said, so the book describes the people "responsible for the fate of large communities, people who had to make decisions between, for example, security and freedom, between a greater and a lesser evil."

Dudro said the authors aren't engaged in "church triumphalism," but instead show "the good, the bad and the ugly on the part of players on the church's side or in the church's interest."

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