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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like we are on a similar page with the early releases Sgt, the main difference being that I like some of Syd's quirky, whimsical numbers more than you.

I do wholeheartedly agree though that Arnold Layne and See Emily Play would have made for a better debut album, had they been included.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More Singles.

Apples and Oranges - rather forgettable. Sounds pleasant enough. If you want better Syd Barrett get his solo work.

Null Rating : 5 out of 10.

Paint Box - I am a Rick Wright fan. So this may color my perception. But I really like this one. Love the "I open the door to an empty room"

Null Rating : 7 out of 10.

It Would Be So Nice - it could be better. Trying too hard to be Syd here. I do like the ending.

Null Rating : 5 out of 10.

Julia Dream - trying even harder. I've always been conflicted on this song. I like bits of it.

Null Rating : 4 out of 10.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Looks like we are on a similar page with the early releases Sgt, the main difference being that I like some of Syd's quirky, whimsical numbers more than you.

I do wholeheartedly agree though that Arnold Layne and See Emily Play would have made for a better debut album, had they been included.


I love Syd's solo stuff. Hit or miss with his Floyd stuff. I think he was being pushed to write radio friendly tunes.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't been able to get into Barrett's solo stuff much, although I haven't listened to it for a while. I will have another go at it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Saucerful of Secrets



Released: June 1968

StevieG rating: 5/10

This is the beginning of the transition from Syd's Pink Floyd - to no man's land for a while. Syd Barrett's behaviour became more and more erratic during the recording of this album, and he only contributed one song to the album. He did write two others - Scream Thy Last Scream and Vegetable Man, but they were cut from the album. I recently heard both these songs for the first time, and yeah, they're not great.

In general, I think this is quite a weak album. They really didn't have much material without Syd, and so tried to come up with new songs without him, without much success.

Let there be more Light

Written by: Roger Waters
SG rating: 4/10

It has a promising start, and a promising middle, and a guitar solo by David Gilmour! But I don't really like it.

Remember a Day

Written by: Richard Wright
SG rating: 4/10

Another gentle song from Richard Wright. It's just a bit boring.

Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun

Written by: Roger Waters
SG rating: 6/10

This is also another slow burner, but I like the feel of this one. According to research, this could have been one song that Syd Barrett had some guitar input into, making it one of the only songs to have all 5 members involved. It has an eerie feel about it. Apparently it was played in a much extended form in the live shows.

Corporal Clegg

Written by: Roger Waters
SG rating: 7/10

This is a guilty pleasure. It features a kazoo, which should be bad and probably is, but I do like listening to this song! It is also a wartime song, which sounds familiar now that we know a lot more about the future Pink Floyd.

A Saucerful of Secrets

Written by: Waters, Gilmour, Wright, Mason
SG rating: 4.5/10

This is a lengthy song in 4 parts, 3 of which are shit (IMO). But the final part is awesome, and other versions (including the Ummagumma live one and the Live in Pompeii one - which is way better) are an improvement on the recorded version.

Part 1 builds up... to nothing. Part 2 has an interminable drum loop that just annoys me, and Richard Wright pounding his fists on the piano. It's supposed to be the "battle" sequence of the song. Part 3 introduces part 4, so it's tolerable, and part 4 is awesome.

The chord progressions in the final section are really cool.

Bm A E F# D G E A F#
Bm G F# Em D F#
B

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

As far as rating this song: part 1 - 3/10, part 2 - 2/10, part 3 - 5/10, part 4 - 8/10. Average 4.5

See Saw

Written by: Richard Wright
SG rating: 3/10

Another (another) gentle song from Richard Wright. This one is really really boring. Probably the most boring yet.

Jugband Blues

Written by: Syd Barrett
SG rating: 7/10

Having Syd only contributing one song to this album is reflective of his departure. It is such a breath of fresh air though, to hear his voice and musical style on this song. Farewell Syd, he made a major contribution to the band. It appears that his lyrics on this final song reflect his "absence".

It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here
And I'm most obliged to you for making it clear that I'm not here...

...and I'm wondering who could be writing this song...

... and what exactly is a dream
and what exactly is a joke?


The next couple of albums are going to be tough going, as the post-Barrett Floyd find their feet.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, they released one more non-album single before sticking to albums for a while.

Point me at the Sky



Released: December 1968
Written by: Waters, Gilmour

StevieG rating: 5/10

Roger Waters called this song a "notable failure". I thinks it's a reasonable song. The opening contains a pleasant melody. It doesn't sound like Pink Floyd to me. It may have been an attempt to create a commercially successful song.

The most interesting this about this song to me is the lyric:

And if you survive 'til 2005...

which I'm sure felt like a lifetime away in 1968.

Well, they all did... just!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Saucerful of Secrets

Let There Be More Light - the lyrics aren't there yet, but the music is pointing strongly in the direction they will be heading. Not a strong opener. I would have chosen Remember a Day.

Null Rating - 4 out of 10.

Remember a Day - firstly, some great drumming by Norman Smith. One of Rick Wright's better songs. Musically strong, lyrics contribute to the dream like state of the song.

Null Rating - 6 out of 10.

Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun - Roger Waters played this the first time we saw him live. And Stevie is correct that it is the only song that all five played on. Strong musically. Roger lifted the lyrics from Chinese poetry. A nice moody, atmospheric song.

Null Rating - 7 out of 10.

Corporal Clegg - the bright, cheerful music hiding a rather depressing set of lyrics. Roger's first song about his father. The "Mrs. Clegg, you must be proud of him" stanza points at Roger's gift as a writer. Ot sticks with you. I wish they had not done the kazoos. This song is an underappreciated part of their growth.

Null Rating - 7 out of 10.

A Saucerful of Secrets - I'll divide it up as well. This leads to Atom Heart Mother and Echoes which lands us in Dark Side and WYWH.

I : Something Else - the orchestra tuning up. Unecessary.
II : Syncopated Pandemonium - musique concrete. Not a fan.
III: Storm Signal - more build up. Not a proper separate entity.
IV : Celestial Voices - the best part of the song. Just skip to this part.

Null Ratings : I - 2 out of 10. II - 2 out of 10. III - 0 out of 10. IV - 8 out of 10. Total Song Rating - 3 out of 10.

See Saw - not a strong Rick song. The lyrics are barely there. The music is too busy and I don't like the odd time signature Rick is sing in. I agree with Roger, boring.

Null Rating - 2 out if 10.

Jugband Blues - the perfect ending for Syd to leave the band with. Incredibly sad lyrics. The Salvation Army band echoes Syd's fracturing perfectly. The final two lines are perfect.

Null Rating - 9 out of 10.

Album Rating - 5.4 out of 10.

The album was released the year of my birth.

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Point Me at the Sky - this should have been on the album. The lyrics could have been touched up a bit. The music is of its era. But a medium rocker would have easily placed See Saw.

Null Rating - 6 out of 10.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before the Saucer fly's off to pastures new Razz

Green is the Colour..............................L U C I F E R S A M...................................Astronomy Domine
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luke - I would love to see Mason live.
He is doing a lot of the catalog that both
Gilmour and Waters left behind.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More



Released: June 1969

StevieG rating: 4/10

This is a soundtrack album to the movie More which I haven't seen, but it seems an appropriate movie for Pink Floyd to make a soundtrack, being about drugs and heroin addiction.

I feel I might be being a little harsh on this album review, since I haven't seen the film, and some of the music in context might fit. I also thought I would rate this album way lower than what I actually did because when I first heard it (back in the day) I wasn't impressed. However there are a few songs that have since caught my attention.

Roger Waters is emerging as the principal songwriter from here. And there are some sounds that reflect their future work. The album starts reasonably well, but deteriorates pretty rapidly.

Many of the songs feature a fade-out, where the song doesn't actually end but just fades out to nothing. From what I read, this technique started in the 50s and continued for decades. I don't like it as a musical technique, but if I like the song it doesn't worry as much as when I don't like the song. If I don't like the song, the fade-out infuriates me!


Cirrus Minor

Written by: Roger Waters
SG rating: 6/10

This dreamy song introduces some of the Pink Floyd staples, like nature / bird noises, acoustic guitar and improved lyrics. It opens with a minute of nature / bird sounds, which is a bit much, but it's ok, and moves into a trippy lyrical melody. It's then followed by a Saucerful of Secrets style of organ with nice chord progressions. Not bad.


The Nile Song

Written by: Roger Waters
SG rating: 5/10

I remember quite liking this song when I first heard it. It has modulating chords, where it just keeps progressing up - was great fun to play on guitar. But since then, I find it a little raucous and annoying. Still, it's interesting, and probably one of the heaviest songs the Floyd have in their repertoire.


Crying Song

Written by: Roger Waters
SG rating: 6/10

It takes a while to get going, but the melody is really interesting. I really like the way it goes. Nice little guitar solo at the end too - Gilmour apparently sings on most, if not all, of the songs on this album, and his guitar influence is starting to take hold. I'm not a fan of the old 'fade out' as far as songs go. It might be this era, but it feels like they just don't know how to end the song, or are just lazy.


Up the Khyber

Written by: Mason, Wright
SG rating: 3/10

Yeah. Jazz improv, or whatever it is. Keyboard noodling, I think I'll call it. Not much of a song.


Green is the Colour

Written by: Roger Waters
SG rating: 7/10

I would officially call this a "hidden gem". Seagull sounds, which becomes a regular part of their songs in the future. It has a pleasant melody and another dreamy feel, and a great piano solo in the studio version. Friggin fade out is annoying but not a deal-breaker...


Cymbaline

Written by: Roger Waters
SG rating: 5/10

Apparently this one was played live quite a bit. It's ok, but I'm not the biggest fan. The old fade-out comes into play again.


Party Sequence

Written by: Waters, Wright, Gilmour, Mason
SG rating: 3/10

It doesn't really hold my attention, and then it just fades out... Maybe it's significant in the context of the film, but apart from that, skip.


Main Theme

Written by: Waters, Wright, Gilmour, Mason
SG rating: 3/10

5 and a half minutes wasted, IMO. It goes nowhere and then just fades.


Ibiza Bar

Written by: Waters, Wright, Gilmour, Mason
SG rating: 5/10

The Nile Song - lite. It sounds so similar to the Nile Song that I almost always skip it. And it fades out...


More Blues

Written by: Waters, Wright, Gilmour, Mason
SG rating: 2/10

Guitar noodling. Boring and pointless. Once again, maybe it works in the context of the film.


Quicksilver

Written by: Waters, Wright, Gilmour, Mason
SG rating: 1/10

As a song, it's a complete waste of time. I think it's supposed to depict a nightmare. It certainly is one to listen to.


A Spanish Piece

Written by: David Gilmour
SG rating: 1/10

This song annoys me no end. I'd be happy never to hear it again.


Dramatic Theme

Written by: Waters, Wright, Gilmour, Mason
SG rating: 3/10

The bass line reminds me of future Floyd. That's probably the best thing about the song.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll review tonight or tomorrow.
But a couple of questions. Will.you be reviewing Relics, Zabriskie Point, the Commitee and Works? At least the songs not found on other albums?
If you do Zabriskie point there was an extended release that has some great songs on it. Red Queen Theme is a must
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be happy to do those releases in the order that they were released. To my shame, I haven't heard of some of those - so I'll look them up and see if I can do them in order. The beauty of the likes of Spotify means I can listen to previously unheard songs. Were some of these released on the Early Years compilation?

I'd only do the ones that aren't on other albums - in the case of Relics, I think there's only one or two on there that I'd do (from memory).
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got out late last two nights. Reviews later.

Relics has Biding My Time.

Works has Embryo.

Zabriskie originally had three - Heart Beat, Pig Meat. Crumbling Land. Come in Number 51, Your Time is Up. [The last being another reworking of Careful With That Axe Eugene] the 1997 rereleased adds four songs. You'll want to find this version.

The Committee can found on YouTube. I'd like to hear your opinion on it.

There are rare tracks to be tracked down as well.

All of Floyd played on Roger Water's song Give Birth to a Smile from his soundtrack for the Body. The first version of Breathe is also on there.

Marianne Faithful recorded Roger's Incarceration of a Flower Child. A song Roger is said to have written in 1968 but never recorded with Floyd.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, rough order of events as follows:

1. Ummagumma - November 1969
2. The Committee - 1969?

3. Zabriskie Point: - March 1970
3 a. Heart Beat, Pig Meat
3 b. Crumbling Land
3 c. Come in Number 51, Your Time is Up
3 d. Country Song (Red Queen Theme)
3 e. Unknown Song (that's what I can find anyway)
3 f. Love Scene v6
3 g. Love Scene v4

4. Embryo - from Works, May 1970
5. Atom Heart Mother - October 1970
6. Biding My Time - from Relics, May 1971
7. Meddle - October 1971

And then the rest Very Happy

We can slot in the rarities etc at some stage too.
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