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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:09 pm    Post subject: Who shot first, Greedo or Han? Reply with quote

Who shot first, Greedo or Han? Apparently, Lucas changed the Cantina scene when he remastered the movies in the '90's.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Han obviously. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:10 am    Post subject: Re: Who shot first, Greedo or Han? Reply with quote

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Who shot first, Greedo or Han? Apparently, Lucas changed the Cantina scene when he remastered the movies in the '90's.


Well I'm given to understand that Greedo shot first.

You see when Han shot first George Lucas really meant that Greedo shot first. It comes down to viewing the scene from a "certain point of view". Before last week I would have been adamant that Han shot first but now I've been educated. When Han shot first it was simply Han's way of letting Greedo down easy so that it wouldn't hurt his feelings so that later on when Greedo shot first it would all make perfect sense. The big lesson here is that apparently its an established trope in Star Wars that its perfectly fine to say there are 3 moons in the sky when there are actually 2 so that someone's feelings won't be hurt or to make a philosophical point about semantics and points of view etc.

I hope that clears things up once and for all. Big Grin
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought they changed it back again? Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the original cut, Greedo never shot anyone. So "Han Shot First" is wrong anyway.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG!!! Hysterical
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point WF. Very Happy Han shot, Greedo didn't. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Truth be told Greedo didn't give Han much of a choice. As the scene plays out Greedo, who is holding a blaster on Han, is becoming more and more threatening via the dialog between the two. Once we get to the moment when Greedo says "I've been looking forward to this for a long time" the outcome is predictable. At this point Han and everyone in the audience knows the next thing Greedo is going to do is shoot Han.

There was never any reason for Lucas to soften this scene by editing it so that Greedo shot first because Han was never portrayed as a blood thirsty killer in the first place. As I said before he had no choice.

Nuff said.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aTOMiC, what about the fact that Greedo was Han's father? (His full name was listed as Greedo Solo in the credits.) What we have is a bad kid who shot his own dad because he didn't want to pay back what he owed. "You should have paid him when you had the chance" was just a father chewing out his kid for not flying straight.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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aTOMiC, what about the fact that Greedo was Han's father? (His full name was listed as Greedo Solo in the credits.) What we have is a bad kid who shot his own dad because he didn't want to pay back what he owed. "You should have paid him when you had the chance" was just a father chewing out his kid for not flying straight.


You know I hadn't considered that at all.

I blame the fact that Greedo spoke all of his dialog in his native tongue and the audience was forced to read his emotions via subtitles which are unable to convey the conflicted tone in Greedo's voice. On the other hand Han casually walks away from the scene, tossing the "bar keep" a coin and commenting "sorry about the mess". I think Harrison Ford should have emphasized the "sorry" more so that the audience could better identify with the loss his character feels at that moment. Ford is a terrific actor and would normally have no problem emoting in this scene so I blame George Lucas for the failure.

Good post wayfriend and thank you.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my defense, what Greedo said sounded a lot like, "You're lucky I found you before your mother did."
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Han shot first.
I saw the first film 17 times in the cinema back in 1978. That is the version I like.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Han Solo shot first.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solo was always a terrible shot.
It was a drunken Stormtrooper.
Greedo also was wanted dead or alive.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

darthbuzz wrote:
Han shot first.
I saw the first film 17 times in the cinema back in 1978. That is the version I like.


If you're willing to look on the seedier side of the internet, you can find something called the "Silver Screen Edition."

Put together and restored by enthusiasts from 4 of the original theatrical prints. It didn't even have the subtitle "A New Hope" yet. Because of dirt, grime, and mold, they needed the four separate prints to get a complete film, but... it's the closest you can get to seeing it on the big screen.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, there was a DVD release of the Holy Trinity several years back that they caved to fan pressure and had the original prints of. I own 'em, and often prefer to watch that version to the goofy changes.
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I have the movie novelization. I wonder what it says. I have to find it.


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