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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure that this constitutes insanity by the Left, because it's a studied attempt to game the system and therefore not in the least insane. However...



If high profile Dem attempts to drum up brief relocation are successful, it looks like Georgia might be gaining a sudden influx of temporary Left-leaning residents, then? Well, up until the 2 seat Senate vote anyways...

Gerrymandering by any other name...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Seems the problem is the candidate selection process?

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I recall watching The Weakest Link when it first came out because the idea of being in a group of people and outperforming all of them to become the winner appeals to me. Unfortunately, that is not how that show worked. The field would clearly vote out the weakest contestants first--clear the chaff. Once the two weakest were gone the rest would invariably vote out the strongest candidate--the comparatively weak field could not compete so via strength in numbers they would get rid of the best people. Eventually, the field whittles itself down to the two least objectionable candidates until they backstab each other and only one remains. This is our nomination process--you may not get the worst but you will also never get the best, instead you are left with the ones who are the least objectionable to the greatest number of people, which means they are merely adequate.

Speaking of only merely adequate candidates....Andrew Yang stating that he will move to Georgia specifically to skew the results of an election could be considered "election fraud". In most States, you have to reside there 30 days before you can register to vote and the cutoff date for registering might already have passed. States need to update their residency laws to prevent this sort of voter fruad shenanigans.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yang ran on paying cash to voters if he won. Seems Crooked.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is our nomination process--you may not get the worst but you will also never get the best, instead you are left with the ones who are the least objectionable to the greatest number of people, which means they are merely adequate.


Sheesh, dunno if that explains Trump... Very Happy Seemed like the most objectionable one...although of course, that was kinda the point I guess. Very Happy

As for the moving, I suspect that nowhere near enough people will do it to have a meaningful impact.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hashi wrote:
This is our nomination process--you may not get the worst but you will also never get the best, instead you are left with the ones who are the least objectionable to the greatest number of people, which means they are merely adequate.


Sheesh, dunno if that explains Trump... Very Happy Seemed like the most objectionable one...although of course, that was kinda the point I guess. Very Happy
It's far simpler than that, Av.

2016: Trump wins. Because = Not Hillary

2020: Biden wins. Because = Not Trump.

It literally is that simple.

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As for the moving, I suspect that nowhere near enough people will do it to have a meaningful impact.
You're probably right - though given current levels of hyperpartisan fanaticism, who knows to what lengths the self-radicalised may be prepared to go?

The core point of my posting that tweet from Yang was that I was surprised to see a fairly high profile Dem figure actively, deliberately and openly promoting a means of Senate election subversion.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For years residents of California--Califoreigners, we call them here--were moving to Texas to 1) escape the "liberal paradise" they had enacted because they could not afford it and they could not stand all the human waste from the hordes of homeless people and 2) they were trying to turn Texas blue (incidentally, Texas did not even turn purple this election cycle). It would take a lot of people moving into a State to swing an election and doing so is disingenuous even if not illegal.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's far simpler than that, Av.

2016: Trump wins. Because = Not Hillary

2020: Biden wins. Because = Not Trump.

It literally is that simple.


Well, I guess that's true as far as it goes, but that's the election process. First we had to get to the point where Trump was considered the GOP's most likely candidate... Very Happy

I think it's pretty well accepted that the DNC (?) cheated Sanders out of the 2016 nomination as I recall, but the Republicans decided Trump was the guy to represent them. Very Happy

(Not that Sanders would probably have won against him either, I suspect the "socialist" trigger would have been pulled quite hard, and people would have turned out to avert the red threat or whatever.

Sometimes I suspect there is something to the GF's claim that a reality star president really was the perfect expression of the American psyche. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Av - Trump won the voters. He never won over the RNC.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's far simpler than that, Av.

2016: Trump wins. Because = Not Hillary

2020: Biden wins. Because = Not Trump.

It literally is that simple.


Well, I guess that's true as far as it goes, but that's the election process. First we had to get to the point where Trump was considered the GOP's most likely candidate... Very Happy

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I still think you're missing the admittedly bleak point. There's no "evolutionary" pressure governing either the Pubs' or Dems' choices for presidential candidates. If I am being extremely charitable, then here's the best case mantra:-

"Just be an infinitesimally little bit less shit than the other guy".

However in actuality, the more accurately expressed mantra these days seems much more to be:-

"Push an utterly polarising and divisive narrative - and don't be the incumbent".

Neither of those two things are going to result in an increase in quality of US POTUS any time soon.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So is it the electorates fault for not holding them accountable? Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure the electorate as a whole and in general even begin to think in terms of accountability.

The existing paradigm is much more like soccer team supporters. Accountability doesn't come into it, providing someone's wearing the right colour shirt.

(Sadly.)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's that whole "tribalistic" mentality I guess.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you look at the facts, Democrats are held accountable. Clinton lost because she was held accountable for a mail server.

If you look at the facts, Republicans are not held accountable. Trump won despite being a pervasive liar, a cheat, a criminal, a poor businessman, and a provocateur of violence.

Conservatives want to say both sides are the same because it smears Democrats to bring them down to the Republican level. But it's not true.

As I have said many times, with reems of evidence linked to it: Democrats have to have merit to win votes, while Republicans don't need votes to win.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you look at the facts, Democrats are held accountable. Clinton lost because she was held accountable for a mail server.

If you look at the facts, Republicans are not held accountable. Trump won despite being a pervasive liar, a cheat, a criminal, a poor businessman, and a provocateur of violence.
Again wf, you don't seem to understand the meaning of the word "fact". What you're giving are your "opinions". It would be useful if you could learn to distinguish between the two.

Clinton lost because for whatever reason, she was considered by enough of the US electorate at the time to be less preferable than Trump.

Trump won because for whatever reason, he was considered by enough of the US electorate at the time to be more preferable than Clinton.

Those are the facts. Anything else is personal and agenda-led speculation.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Again wf, you don't seem to understand the meaning of the word "fact".

Ad hominem attack. You are an exemplar.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feel free to point out any logical or factual error in my previous post.

I won't hold my breath...

My opinion (NB "opinion", not "fact") remains that you really don't like it when what you post is examined in any depth.

The reason for that opinion (NB "opinion", not "fact") is that you instantly cry that you've been subject to some ad hominem attack, rather than pointing out any factual and/or logical errors in what others have posted in direct response to you, with direct reference to your own words.

And no, given your long track record, I don't expect this to change. It apparently is fated to eternally be what it is...
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Why should he point out any "factual and/or logical errors in what others have posted in direct response to you" if it uses an ad hominem, which is by definition a fallacious form of argument?
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In this case, because - as far as my post was concerned - there was no ad hominem.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So is it the electorates fault for not holding them accountable? Very Happy

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Republicans have the next two years to groom a candidate for presidency. They could be working at winning the House.

They could think about not running two old white men.

They could work at helping the American people.

The first step? Telling Trump loudly to just admit he's lost. Trump lost to a corpse and a communist. That's on him.
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I guess this is the closest thread to this, although it's not Insanity. I heard several minutes of CNN this evening. It was embarrassing. Like a bunch of 15 year old boys. "Yeah, that sucked." "And all that crap he's doing." "That's garbage." I don't think news programs or networks shouldn't have opinions. But I do think they should have some maturity.
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