Kevin's Watch Forum Index
 HomeHome   MemberlistMemberlist   RegisterRegister   SearchSearch   ProfileProfile   FAQFAQ   StatisticsStatistics  SudokuSudoku   Phoogle MapPhoogle Map 
 AlbumAlbum StoresStores   StoresItems Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

BIG, EARLY NEWS: Amazon buying LOTR to make a Series
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Kevin's Watch Forum Index -> The Library -> J.R.R. Tolkien Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Skyweir
Lord of Light


Joined: 16 Mar 2002
Posts: 21183

Thanks: 20
Thanked 84 Times in 84 Posts

Location: Australia
43668 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Lord's Staff1 Oath of Peace1 Furls Fire


PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow Shocked totally awesome 😎

Is there any news on when the tv series will be launched?
_________________
health and healing

'Smoke me a kipper .. I'll be back for breakfast!'

EZBoard SURVIVOR
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger
wayfriend
whilom witling

Male
Joined: 21 Apr 2004
Posts: 20250

Thanks: 11
Thanked 246 Times in 225 Posts

Location: In reality once again
49448 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
3 Member of Linden's Army


PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There has been very little news about this whole project, and (in my opinion) very little excitement. I'm a bit worried about that.

But there was a bit of news today.

Quote:
The Lord of the Rings on Prime Twitter account surprised us all today with an official announcement of the upcoming television series' full cast. Some names we already knew, but many we did not.

The full roster of actors includes_. [link]


Follow the link to see all the actors. But it's nothing to get excited about. I am sure they'll all be brilliant, but it's just that there are no big names.

This can also be taken as a sign that filming (or rather, sword, language, athletic training needed for filming) is about to begin.
_________________
* I occasionally post things on KevinsWatch because I am a fan of Stephen R. Donaldson; this should not be considered as condonation of the white nationalist propaganda which is posted far too frequently on this website.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
High Lord Tolkien
Excommunicated Member of THOOLAH

Male
Joined: 19 Oct 2004
Posts: 7061

Thanks: 15
Thanked 51 Times in 49 Posts

Location: Cape Cod, Mass
2985 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Member of THOOLAH1 Lord Mhoram's Victory


PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Wait, Sauron's a normal looking guy??? Didn't anyone watch the movies? He's a giant flaming eyeball!! This sucks."


Very Happy
_________________
https://thoolah.blogspot.com/

[Defeated by a gizmo from Batman's utility belt]
Joker: I swear by all that's funny never to be taken in by that unconstitutional device again!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
wayfriend
whilom witling

Male
Joined: 21 Apr 2004
Posts: 20250

Thanks: 11
Thanked 246 Times in 225 Posts

Location: In reality once again
49448 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
3 Member of Linden's Army


PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In earlier ages he was merely a sarcastically rolling eyeball.

In the Silmarillion was wrote:
And men saw his sails coming up out of the sunset, dyed as with scarlet and gleaming with red and gold, and fear fell upon the dwellers by the coasts, and they fled far away. But the fleet came at last to that place that was called Umbar, where was the mighty haven of the Numenoreans that no hand had wrought. Empty and silent were all the lands about when the King of the Sea marched upon Middle-earth. For seven days he journeyed with banner and trumpet, and he came to a hill, and he went up, and he set there his pavilion and his throne; and he sat him down in the midst of the land, and the tents of his host were ranged all about him, blue, golden, and white, as a field of tall flowers. Then he sent forth heralds, and he commanded Sauron to come before him and swear to him fealty.

And Sauron came. Even from his mighty tower of Barad-dur he came, and made no offer of battle. For he perceived that the power and majesty of the Kings of the Sea surpassed all rumour of them, so that he could not trust even the greatest of his servants to withstand them; and he saw not his time yet to work his will with the Dunedain. And he was crafty, well skilled to gain what he would by subtlety when force might not avail. Therefore he humbled himself before Ar-Pharazon and smoothed his tongue; and men wondered, for all that he said seemed fair and wise.

But Ar-Pharazon was not yet deceived, and it came into his mind that, for the better keeping of Sauron and of his oaths of fealty, he should be brought to Numenor, there to dwell as a hostage for himself and all his servants in Middle-earth. To this Sauron assented as one constrained, yet in his secret thought he received it gladly, for it chimed indeed with his desire. And Sauron passed over the sea and looked upon the land of Numenor, and on the city of Armenelos in the days of its glory, and he was astounded; but his heart within was filled the more with envy and hate.

Yet such was the cunning of his mind and mouth, and the strength of his hidden will, that ere three years had passed he had become closest to the secret counsels of the King; for flattery sweet as honey was ever on his tongue, and knowledge he had of many things yet unrevealed to Men. And seeing the favour that he had of their lord all the councillors began to fawn upon him, save one alone, Amandil lord of Andunie. Then slowly a change came over the land, and the hearts of the Elf-friends were sorely troubled, and many fell away out of fear; and although those that remained still called themselves the Faithful, their enemies named them rebels. For now, having the ears of men, Sauron with many arguments gainsaid all that the Valar had taught; and he bade men think that in the world, in the east and even in the west, there lay yet many seas and many lands for their winning, wherein was wealth uncounted. And still, if they should at the last come to the end of those lands and seas, beyond all lay the Ancient Darkness. 'And out of it the world was made. For Darkness alone is worshipful, and the Lord thereof may yet make other worlds to be gifts to those that serve him, so that the increase of their power shall find no end.'

_________________
* I occasionally post things on KevinsWatch because I am a fan of Stephen R. Donaldson; this should not be considered as condonation of the white nationalist propaganda which is posted far too frequently on this website.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
High Lord Tolkien
Excommunicated Member of THOOLAH

Male
Joined: 19 Oct 2004
Posts: 7061

Thanks: 15
Thanked 51 Times in 49 Posts

Location: Cape Cod, Mass
2985 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Member of THOOLAH1 Lord Mhoram's Victory


PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wayfriend wrote:
In earlier ages he was merely a sarcastically rolling eyeball.

In the Silmarillion was wrote:
And men saw his sails coming up out of the sunset, dyed as with scarlet and gleaming with red and gold, and fear fell upon the dwellers by the coasts, and they fled far away. But the fleet came at last to that place that was called Umbar, where was the mighty haven of the Numenoreans that no hand had wrought. Empty and silent were all the lands about when the King of the Sea marched upon Middle-earth. For seven days he journeyed with banner and trumpet, and he came to a hill, and he went up, and he set there his pavilion and his throne; and he sat him down in the midst of the land, and the tents of his host were ranged all about him, blue, golden, and white, as a field of tall flowers. Then he sent forth heralds, and he commanded Sauron to come before him and swear to him fealty.

And Sauron came. Even from his mighty tower of Barad-dur he came, and made no offer of battle. For he perceived that the power and majesty of the Kings of the Sea surpassed all rumour of them, so that he could not trust even the greatest of his servants to withstand them; and he saw not his time yet to work his will with the Dunedain. And he was crafty, well skilled to gain what he would by subtlety when force might not avail. Therefore he humbled himself before Ar-Pharazon and smoothed his tongue; and men wondered, for all that he said seemed fair and wise.

But Ar-Pharazon was not yet deceived, and it came into his mind that, for the better keeping of Sauron and of his oaths of fealty, he should be brought to Numenor, there to dwell as a hostage for himself and all his servants in Middle-earth. To this Sauron assented as one constrained, yet in his secret thought he received it gladly, for it chimed indeed with his desire. And Sauron passed over the sea and looked upon the land of Numenor, and on the city of Armenelos in the days of its glory, and he was astounded; but his heart within was filled the more with envy and hate.

Yet such was the cunning of his mind and mouth, and the strength of his hidden will, that ere three years had passed he had become closest to the secret counsels of the King; for flattery sweet as honey was ever on his tongue, and knowledge he had of many things yet unrevealed to Men. And seeing the favour that he had of their lord all the councillors began to fawn upon him, save one alone, Amandil lord of Andunie. Then slowly a change came over the land, and the hearts of the Elf-friends were sorely troubled, and many fell away out of fear; and although those that remained still called themselves the Faithful, their enemies named them rebels. For now, having the ears of men, Sauron with many arguments gainsaid all that the Valar had taught; and he bade men think that in the world, in the east and even in the west, there lay yet many seas and many lands for their winning, wherein was wealth uncounted. And still, if they should at the last come to the end of those lands and seas, beyond all lay the Ancient Darkness. 'And out of it the world was made. For Darkness alone is worshipful, and the Lord thereof may yet make other worlds to be gifts to those that serve him, so that the increase of their power shall find no end.'


How did the giant eyeball fit on the boat?
And wouldn't he have set fire to the sails?
_________________
https://thoolah.blogspot.com/

[Defeated by a gizmo from Batman's utility belt]
Joker: I swear by all that's funny never to be taken in by that unconstitutional device again!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
wayfriend
whilom witling

Male
Joined: 21 Apr 2004
Posts: 20250

Thanks: 11
Thanked 246 Times in 225 Posts

Location: In reality once again
49448 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
3 Member of Linden's Army


PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After all this time, Amazon finally said SOMETHING about their upcoming billion-dollar Tolkien series.

They've sent out a synopsis. But don't get excited ... it's a pretty vague synopsis.
Quote:
Amazon Studios' forthcoming series brings to screens for the very first time the heroic legends of the fabled Second Age of Middle-earth's history. This epic drama is set thousands of years before the events of J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, and will take viewers back to an era in which great powers were forged, kingdoms rose to glory and fell to ruin, unlikely heroes were tested, hope hung by the finest of threads, and the greatest villain that ever flowed from Tolkien's pen threatened to cover all the world in darkness. Beginning in a time of relative peace, the series follows an ensemble cast of characters, both familiar and new, as they confront the long-feared re-emergence of evil to Middle-earth. From the darkest depths of the Misty Mountains, to the majestic forests of the elf-capital of Lindon, to the breathtaking island kingdom of Numenor, to the furthest reaches of the map, these kingdoms and characters will carve out legacies that live on long after they are gone.

It can [still] be anything.

I've read a lot of speculation and all the speculation seems to be based on the idea that this is one or two seasons of episodes.

I don't believe that. I think, for this money, Amazon is looking for at least 5 seasons, maybe more. A Game-of-Thrones-length series at least.

Which is exciting, because it means that more and more of the events of the Second Age are open to possibility.

BTW, the hints surely hint that the Fall of Numenor is involved, and the Forging of the Rings is involved (as it occurred in Lindon). But the Misty Mountains? Maybe they are bringing Dwarves into it.
_________________
* I occasionally post things on KevinsWatch because I am a fan of Stephen R. Donaldson; this should not be considered as condonation of the white nationalist propaganda which is posted far too frequently on this website.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Avatar
Immanentizing The Eschaton


Joined: 02 Aug 2004
Posts: 60155

Thanks: 74
Thanked 194 Times in 190 Posts

Location: Johannesburg, South Africa
37671 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Pantheon Veteran1 Furls Fire


PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't remember enough about the 2nd Age...I should probably read The Silmarilion again. Maybe that's a good thing though...

--A
_________________
It's easy to judge. It's more difficult to understand.

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Phoogle Map
wayfriend
whilom witling

Male
Joined: 21 Apr 2004
Posts: 20250

Thanks: 11
Thanked 246 Times in 225 Posts

Location: In reality once again
49448 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
3 Member of Linden's Army


PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Second Age in 30 seconds:

- Men have a glorious kingdom in Numenor
- Sauron, keeping low, comes to Numenor.
- Sauron induces Men to be jealous of the immortality of the Elves
- Men try to assault the Undying Lands, fail, are punished, and Numenor sinks.
- What's left of Men washes up on Middle Earth and become Arnor and Gondor

- Sauron goes to Linden and teaches the Elves to make Rings of Power.
- Sauron makes the one Ring in Mordor
- Elves and Men form the Last Alliance and war against Sauron
- Sauron is defeated, the Ring is lost.

Seems to me the end of the Second Age should have been the sinking of Numenor from the Wrath of Illuvatar. But it goes up until Sauron's defeat, which we see in the movie.
_________________
* I occasionally post things on KevinsWatch because I am a fan of Stephen R. Donaldson; this should not be considered as condonation of the white nationalist propaganda which is posted far too frequently on this website.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Rigel
Tenno Awoken


Joined: 26 Sep 2007
Posts: 2027

Thanks: 17
Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts

Location: Portland, OR
2303 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:


PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huh... "the greatest villain that ever flowed from Tolkien's pen," but wasn't Morgoth chained at the end of the first age?
_________________
"You make me think Hell is run like a corporation."
"It's the other way around, but yes."
Obaki, Too Much Information
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Phoogle Map
Avatar
Immanentizing The Eschaton


Joined: 02 Aug 2004
Posts: 60155

Thanks: 74
Thanked 194 Times in 190 Posts

Location: Johannesburg, South Africa
37671 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Pantheon Veteran1 Furls Fire


PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Three rings for Elven Kings under the sky..."

Very Happy

(Nice summary WF thanks. Very Happy )

--A
_________________
It's easy to judge. It's more difficult to understand.

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Phoogle Map
wayfriend
whilom witling

Male
Joined: 21 Apr 2004
Posts: 20250

Thanks: 11
Thanked 246 Times in 225 Posts

Location: In reality once again
49448 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
3 Member of Linden's Army


PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rigel wrote:
Huh... "the greatest villain that ever flowed from Tolkien's pen," but wasn't Morgoth chained at the end of the first age?

It's a good question who this refers to.

Yes, Morgoth was chained at the end of the First Age -- for all intents and purposes, he's gone.

Either they are referring to Sauron, or someone we haven't thought of.

But I think they are referring to Sauron. In the Third Age, Sauron was just your average evil overlord directing his armies from his tower. In the First Age, he was but one of Morgoth's captians.

But in the Second Age ... oh, he did some really nasty things. He came to Numenor, pretending to be captured, and then worked his wiles on the lords of Men, transforming them from noble princes to envious, conniving, rebellious traitors. And he covertly worked with the Elves, teaching them how to create the Rings of Power, and he was able to have them made with back doors of control, all without their knowing.

<rubs hands together>
_________________
* I occasionally post things on KevinsWatch because I am a fan of Stephen R. Donaldson; this should not be considered as condonation of the white nationalist propaganda which is posted far too frequently on this website.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
High Lord Tolkien
Excommunicated Member of THOOLAH

Male
Joined: 19 Oct 2004
Posts: 7061

Thanks: 15
Thanked 51 Times in 49 Posts

Location: Cape Cod, Mass
2985 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Member of THOOLAH1 Lord Mhoram's Victory


PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wayfriend wrote:
Rigel wrote:
Huh... "the greatest villain that ever flowed from Tolkien's pen," but wasn't Morgoth chained at the end of the first age?

It's a good question who this refers to.

Yes, Morgoth was chained at the end of the First Age -- for all intents and purposes, he's gone.

Either they are referring to Sauron, or someone we haven't thought of.

But I think they are referring to Sauron. In the Third Age, Sauron was just your average evil overlord directing his armies from his tower. In the First Age, he was but one of Morgoth's captians.

But in the Second Age ... oh, he did some really nasty things. He came to Numenor, pretending to be captured, and then worked his wiles on the lords of Men, transforming them from noble princes to envious, conniving, rebellious traitors. And he covertly worked with the Elves, teaching them how to create the Rings of Power, and he was able to have them made with back doors of control, all without their knowing.

<rubs hands together>


I agree.
If you go by published works Morgoth barely gets a mention in the LotR.
Sauron is the big badguy throughout.
_________________
https://thoolah.blogspot.com/

[Defeated by a gizmo from Batman's utility belt]
Joker: I swear by all that's funny never to be taken in by that unconstitutional device again!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Fist and Faith
Magister Vitae


Joined: 01 Dec 2002
Posts: 19356

Thanks: 100
Thanked 103 Times in 99 Posts


14252 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
1 Foul Duck1 Lord Mhoram's Victory1 2011 Watchies


PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, true. But Morgoth is the one who introduced discord into the music in the first place. And his corruption is why we even have Sauron, as well as the Balrogs, and others.
_________________
We are not required to save the world. We are required to stand up as truly as we can for what we love. -SRD

All lies and jest
Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest
-Paul Simon
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail MSN Messenger Phoogle Map
wayfriend
whilom witling

Male
Joined: 21 Apr 2004
Posts: 20250

Thanks: 11
Thanked 246 Times in 225 Posts

Location: In reality once again
49448 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP

User Items:
3 Member of Linden's Army


PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, but Tolkien wrote Morgoth out of the story before the Second Age began, which is when the Amazon series occurs.

Unless we get a glimpse of his giant form, chained and collared, floating in the darkness of the Timeless Void.


_________________
* I occasionally post things on KevinsWatch because I am a fan of Stephen R. Donaldson; this should not be considered as condonation of the white nationalist propaganda which is posted far too frequently on this website.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Kevin's Watch Forum Index -> The Library -> J.R.R. Tolkien Forum All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4
Page 4 of 4

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by Earthpower © Kevin's Watch