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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the UK I think it is safe to say that the Government are going to do whatever they want now, whenever they want to and for whatever reason. Data will simply be spun and manipulated to justify whatever course of action they decide is expedient to their wishes. If they require this whole thing to evaporate in a puff of smoke (I wish) then the data will support this. Similarly if they decide upon a lockdown more draconic by orders of whatever, similarly the data will be made to fit this necessity. Once having rendered a population into a malleable state of receptivity they are not, as you say Hashi, going to let it go to waste.

It seems a long time ago (to me at least) that it was the case that the actions were following the science - but rather that the science has been made to support the actions already decided upon for a good while now. It is at this dangerous moment that behind the scenes, cunning minds will be considering what other, otherwise difficult to entertain, agendas can be pushed forward under the umbrella of the war against Covid. Make no mistake - this will be going on as we speak.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At this point, virologists are now where climate scientists have been for years--they can make shit up that advances the agenda they want and no one can question them. Who has the time or expertise to examine their findings in an attempt to refute them? I certainly don't have the time, which means that we are left with two choices: believe them at face value or reject them at face value.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Last year, we were discourages--shamed, actually--for using "Chinese coronoavirus" or "Wuhan flu" even though naming diseases from a pobable point of origin has a long-established history. This year, though, media outlets like CNN are perfectly okay with saying things like "South African covid" to identify variant mutations--and they don't even apologize to people like Avatar.


I want to say that even then, there was a difference between "Chinese coronavirus" and what I usually saw / heard which was "the China flu."

One of those is clearly derogatory.

Likewise, while I agree that labelling "variations" based on where they were first detected (or (maybe) arose) is not particularly useful in the long term, it's still not derogatory. (And neither is "the Chinese cornovirus" in case anybody wondered.)

"China flu" is not used as a location descriptor I'm sure you'll agree.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"China flu" is not used as a location descriptor I'm sure you'll agree.

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Agreed--that term was meant to be derogatory whereas "Chinese coronavirus" is not, at least not to me.

The WHO worked with the PRC Communist Party to exonerate the Wuhan lab really quickly. So quickly, in fact, that their rapid conclusion pretty much proves that it was released accidentally from that lab--sloppy protocols and people not being careful. Just own it, China, and move on from there.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right, exactly. So, I don't think people were discouraged from saying "Chinese coronavirus" but they were discouraged and shame for calling it "China flu."

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it called Chinese Caronavirus to differentiate it from another caronavirus?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is it called Chinese Caronavirus to differentiate it from another caronavirus?


It follows the typical way we have referred to many historic pandemics based on where the outbreak first makes news. "Spanish Flu" did not actually originate in Spain--ironically, it also originated in China--but that is were it first made the international news. The phrase "Spanish Flu" identifies that one specific variation as opposed to other flu strains such as "bird flu" or "swine flu". The actual classifications are HxNk but most news sources can't use those classifications because the typical reader is too...well, too uneducated to know what that means.

Anyway....there are classes of corona viruses, as well. The SARS and MERS strains which made the news several years ago are also coronas.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The numbers are beginning to show that New York Governor Cuomo is likely personally responsible for about 1,000 deaths of eldery people by forcing them into nursing homes, turning them into deathtraps. Remember: people blamed Trump personally for corona deaths, so we are simply using the same logic here. The writing is on the wall for him--he is facing either resignation or impeachment/removal.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Meanwhile, we're on track to see half a million dead in the US in 12 months.
Posted: 2020-07-20

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What starting date are you using? Can we quote you on this? How much are you willing to bet that your assessment is accurate?

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America's pandemic toll: In one year, half a million lives lost to COVID-19
PUBLISHED: February 22, 2021 [link]

(I expect you to make up shit like I am bragging or something. But all I am actually doing is demonstrating your worthless attacks are worthless.)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wayfriend wrote:
Meanwhile, we're on track to see half a million dead in the US in 12 months.
Posted: 2020-07-20

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What starting date are you using? Can we quote you on this? How much are you willing to bet that your assessment is accurate?

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(I expect you to make up shit like I am bragging or something. But all I am actually doing is demonstrating your worthless attacks are worthless.)



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wf, all you are actually doing - but with every justification, let me clearly state - is to show beyond doubt that, whereas some of us (you, me, SB) were predicting this sort of level of total COVID deaths, others here massively undercalled the same thing.

That's clearly a very reasonable specific point to make. But it's equally clearly not reasonable to extrapolate from that point and make a claim that ergo anything anyone who happened to underpredict COVID deaths may say on any other topic must therefore be erroneous BS or a "worthless attack".
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Hashi did say it was a bet.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well Hashi did say it was a bet.


I wonder if Hashi is going to lock this thread?
Anyone want to take a bet?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But it's equally clearly not reasonable to extrapolate from that point and make a claim that ergo anything anyone who happened to underpredict COVID deaths may say on any other topic must therefore be erroneous BS or a "worthless attack".

Nice try to rewrite history and thereby get in another AH attack.

Hashi's worthless attack was not in disagreeing with my number. It was his attempt to claim that my number (but not anyone else's) was invalid by discrediting the source (but not anyone else's). A dictionary ad hominem attack made for political reasons.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hashi's been wrong about pretty much everything he has said regarding COVID. I have already pointed out instances where he has been wrong with what he has previously said as official numbers have been obtained months after the start of the pandemic.

He has been wrong, continues to be wrong, and will likely always be wrong regarding what he says about COVID. It takes some measure of courage to openly say something so incorrect in the face of overwhelming public consensus against what you are saying. I'll give him that, at least.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I recall, he did not take the bet....but I still offered a wager.

Why would I lock this thread? ???

Wow--so wayfriend was correct...for once. *whoo* Let's all put on a party hat and throw some glitter in the air for him in celebration.

I am still correct about one thing re: coronoa--it isn't all that deadly, except in some circumstances. The instances of people not wearing masks at the grocery store is going up--no one gives a shit any more. I even see elderly people with walking sticks and/or riding the motorized carts who don't wear them--not my problem.

At least I did not order elderly people their deaths like Cuomo did.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nice try to rewrite history and thereby get in another AH attack.
Huh?

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Hashi's worthless attack was not in disagreeing with my number. It was his attempt to claim that my number (but not anyone else's) was invalid by discrediting the source (but not anyone else's). A dictionary ad hominem attack made for political reasons.
I think that's your persecution complex kicking in again. Hashi (and others) equally vehemently disagreed with SoulBiter and me, when we put forward predicted US COVID death numbers in the same range as your late July prediction.

It's just that we were coming up with those 2 months earlier - and we didn't take his vehement disagreement to heart. But Hashi's has been entirely consistent in his consistently being wrong on this issue.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stopped working on my algorithm in June 2020 and had extrapolated out to mid Jan. But my numbers were within 4K deaths of the total by Jan 18 2021. I have since then lost interest in tracking this. So much so that I had to take my tracker out of the recycle bin on my PC just to look this up. If you had asked me in June if you thought I would be that close without updating my algorithm again, I would not have agreed.

Its a shame that the powers that be couldn't have had someone objective putting the numbers together. It wasn't rocket science and I am not a math major. As with most politicians the data they release tends to be what they want you to see/know and not always what is the truth.
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Shutting down NY for Coronavirus and the environment they have created (not enforcing law) has consequences. The company I work for has two stores close to each other, one of which is at Saks off Fifth, are now closing. These were two of our most profitable stores but its just too expensive to leave them open without the traffic to support it. We have also recently closed many California stores for the same reasons but for those its been more due to repeated theft and burglary.
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Well, restrictions eased further here (to the "lowest" possible level (for now)) but not much progress on the vaccine front, so expecting a significant 3rd wave probably.

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