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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like I said, the endgame of people who oppose voter id laws is "if you are physically present then you get to vote", whether or not you are a citizen. The best way to get poor and/or marginalized people to vote for you is to campaign on "vote for me and I'll give you free money every month". This is where we are heading.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lahren said: It's pretty rich of Delta Airlines to take this stance, given the fact we must all show our IDs to board a plane and travel. Does that make Delta racist? Does that mean Delta and other airlines are trying to keep black passengers off their planes?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is Delta's (indeed, any carrier's) ID requirement something that is attributable to them, or is it mandated by TSA and/or other authorities not associated with the carrier enforcing the verification of ID prior to crossing a checkpoint?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe it's federal law?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't an id to vote, why do I need an id to buy a gun?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, having to have an id to board a plane is a Federal law. What is not a Federal law is that you have to present an id or validate your identity in some manner to buy a ticket in the first place.

Other places/instances where you must have a photo id and/or validate your identity:
rent a car
buy a car
open a bank account
rent an apartment
buy a house
buy liquor
buy cigarettes
enter a casino
obtain a credit card
get married
apply for a job
buy spray paint from a hobby store

In some magical way, presenting an id in order to vote is apparently "racist" but none of those other activities are. I would ask if anyone can explain that logic but none of you can since there is no logic at work here, only partisan politics trying to destabilize our system. The goal here, of course, is as I said--Democrats want to get us to the point where if a person is physically present in the United States then they get to vote, even if they aren't a citizen.

Like Sarge said, if I don't need an id to vote then I should be able to walk into a gun store, put $500 on the counter (plus sales tax), and walk out with a handgun without having to present an id or have a background check.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well flip that around. Owning a gun is a Constitutional Right. SCOTUS has ruled that voting is also a Right; one of the Ninth Amendment's unenumerated Rights. As far as being a Right is concerned, there's no reason you should need ID for one, but not the other. Even worse if you have to pay for the ID for the one.

As far as secure elections is concerned, it's insane to not need ID.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christ.

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In late March, Georgia passed a restrictive new voting law that, in effect, permits the Republican state legislature to put partisan operatives in charge of disqualifying ballots in Democratic-leaning precincts.

[...] Georgia's law, for example, is more worrying than even voter ID laws. It gives Republicans more direct control over election administration, allowing them to bend the rules in their favor: enforcing strict standards for ballot disqualification in Democratic-leaning precincts and lax ones in Republican-leaning ones, for example.

The single biggest threat to election security in 2020 was Trump trying to strong-arm election officials into changing the results.

The Republicans in Georgia responded, not by making that less likely, but by removing the obstacles that thwarted Trump's efforts.

So let's stop pretending that there is any motivation to secure elections anywhere in these laws. When you say "election security" your only trying to own the libs. This is all about skewing elections towards Republicans. Every time they manage to lose an election which was rigged in their favor, they redouble there efforts to rig it more.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not claiming to understand any motivation's for or nuances of Georgia's, or any other state's, voter laws. I only know it sounds insane to me to let anyone go to a polling station, say they are anyone they want to claim to be, not make them ptove it, and let them vote. I could go to your State, say I'm you, and vote under your name. What happens when you then show up and try to vote? Will they have a system that tells them you already voted? Or will they just let 2 votes be cast under the same name? Either option is crazy.

Also, if ID is not involved, how does anybody know anybody is a registered voter? What's the point of registering if there isn't ID? I can go to one place, make up some name and register, go to another place, make up another name and register, on and on. How many times would I be voting?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have read this new bill. None of what WF describes is in there as far as I can tell. Link to the text of the bill is below

https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20212022/201121
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow WF lied? Color me shocked. But just for kicks...


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to mention that the full transcript of that call was released recently and Trump never said a word about changing votes.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have read this new bill. None of what WF describes is in there as far as I can tell. Link to the text of the bill is below

Section 5 and Section 6 and Section 8.

(Remember, this bill is predicated on lies. The reputation of the Georgia GOP is now well established. Therefore, these changes need to be viewed with the understanding that legislators will be partisan and unfair when they are applied.)

ABC News wrote:
Much of the work administering elections in Georgia is handled by the state's 159 counties. The law gives the State Election Board new powers to intervene in county election offices and to remove and replace local election officials. That has led to concerns that the Republican-controlled state board could exert more influence over the administration of elections, including the certification of county results.

Christian Science Monitor wrote:
In one of its most notable changes, the legislation would remove the secretary of state from control over the state Election Board, replacing them with a nonpartisan chairman appointed by a majority of the Georgia House and Senate. The Election Board, in turn, would have more power to intervene with county election boards it deems “underperforming.”


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The Republican-controlled legislature has more control over the State Election Board.
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Page 8: There is created a state board to be known as the State Election Board, to be composed of t̶h̶e̶ ̶S̶e̶c̶r̶e̶t̶a̶r̶y̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶S̶t̶a̶t̶e̶ a chairperson elected by the General Assembly, an elector to be elected by a majority vote of the Senate of the General Assembly at its regular session held in each odd-numbered year, an elector to be elected by a majority vote of the House of Representatives of the General Assembly at its regular session held in each odd-numbered year, and a member of each political party to be nominated and appointed in the manner provided in this Code section. No person while a member of the General Assembly shall serve as a member of the board.

This is one of a few provisions that strip power from the secretary of state and indirectly shift it to the legislature by creating a new chair of the State Election Board. Previously, the secretary of state had served in that role.

The law dictates that the newly created chair be “nonpartisan,” but the position is appointed through the partisan legislature. Voting rights groups say this amounts to the legislature’s exerting more control over the State Election Board and election oversight in general.

The provision does contain some partisan guardrails: In the two years immediately preceding a chair’s appointment, he or she cannot have been a candidate for public office or have made any political campaign contributions.

But it also looks an awful lot like a revenge move: Republican lawmakers are taking power away from Mr. Raffensperger, who infuriated Mr. Trump and some G.O.P. leaders in the state by rebuffing the former president’s fraud claims.

The secretary of state is removed as a voting member of the State Election Board.
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Page 11: The Secretary of State shall be t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶i̶r̶p̶e̶r̶s̶o̶n̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶o̶a̶r̶d̶ an ex officio nonvoting member of the board. Three voting members of the board shall constitute a quorum, and no vacancy on the board shall impair the right of the quorum to exercise all the powers and perform all the duties of the board. The board shall adopt a seal for its use and bylaws for its own government and procedure.

This is a more direct attack on the powers of the secretary of state, effectively eliminating that person’s voice on the State Election Board.

Viewed through the lens of the 2020 election, this could be seen as revenge for Georgia Republicans against the current secretary of state, Mr. Raffensperger, who would not capitulate to Mr. Trump’s demands to overturn the results under a false banner of fraud.

The G.O.P.-led legislature is empowered to suspend county election officials.
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Page 11: The State Election Board may suspend county or municipal superintendents and appoint an individual to serve as the temporary superintendent in a jurisdiction. Such individual shall exercise all the powers and duties of a superintendent as provided by law, including the authority to make all personnel decisions related to any employees of the jurisdiction who assist with carrying out the duties of the superintendent, including, but not limited to, the director of elections, the election supervisor, and all poll officers. (g) At no time shall the State Election Board suspend more than four county or municipal superintendents pursuant to subsection (f) of this Code section.

Another power play by Republican state lawmakers. Tensions have long simmered between state and county election officials in Georgia, particularly in Fulton County, the largest Democratic hub in the state, where officials say they have been targeted and deprived of support by Republicans at the state level. Election officials in Fulton County, for their part, have had their historical share of mistakes and mismanagement.

Now the State Election Board, newly influenced by the partisan Legislature, will have the power to suspend county election officials. That part of the new law alarmed some Democratic legislators, who noted that it could particularly affect counties like Fulton, which contains 15 percent of those in the state who voted Democratic in the November election.

The law does state that the bar for suspension is high: either a minimum of three clear violations of State Election Board rules, or “demonstrated nonfeasance, malfeasance, or gross negligence in the administration of the elections” in two consecutive elections.

In the event of a suspension, the State Election Board would name a temporary replacement.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Remember, this bill is predicated on lies. The reputation of the Georgia GOP is now well established. Therefore, these changes need to be viewed with the understanding that legislators will be partisan and unfair when they are applied." - Wayfriend.

So don't believe what the law says. Believe the only confirmed racist on the Watch, Wayfriend. The man who keeps telling us minorities are not as smart as white people. Yes, believe what he says.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your entire opening statement saying that the entire bill is predicated on lies. What lies? Perhaps things you disagree with but, lies?

And as far as removing a local.. I already posted there are limits on that
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"For repeated violations of the law or nonfeasance, malfeasance, or gross negligence over a period of two years."


Removing the Sec of State from the election board. I did some research on that as well. Did you know that many States do not have the Secretary of State on their election board? It is painful to do this lookup because I had to do the lookup for each State individually.

The Election board. Most States have a chair person elected by their General assembly. In EVERY state they say they are non-partisan but of course depending on the lean of your State, they tend to be partisan to the controlling legislature.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have read this new bill. None of what WF describes is in there as far as I can tell. Link to the text of the bill is below

https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20212022/201121


Thank you for the link. Ignore the heavily-biased media who report lies most of the time; instead, read only the text of the law itself and come to your own conclusions.

Bottom line, the State of Georgia is allowed to set whatever rules it wants for its voting procedures and only the citizens of Georgia get to have a say in it. If enough of them don't like it then they can vote for a new Legislature that will roll back the changes; alternatively, the Georgia Supreme Court can strike it down.

Something irregular definitely happened in Georgia last year--the State Legislature is majority Republican, the Governor is Republican, and the State has voted for Republicans for POTUS for the last 20 years, yet somehow--miraculously--it voted for Biden and two Democrat Senators? Bullshit--I don't buy it. The POTUS results would not change but control of the Seante definitely would, which is why their election results are both highly irregular and suspicious.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hashi - Democrats know that the election results in Georgia were fraudulent. This is why they are fighting against securing the election against future fraud. They want wide open elections that can be manipulated to their liking.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, actually....

I did my own analysis of Georgia. I started with the population in column A of Excel, going back to the 2000 Census up through the 2019 Census estimate, then over in column H I posted all the vote count results for every biannual election there (their election for Governor staggers between elections for President, so 2006 but not 2008, for example). I used both linear and expoenential extrapolation to track population growth then calculated (number of votes cast)/(population estimate). There was not a statistically significant increase in 2020 over previous years, meaning that roughly the same percentage of people voted every 2 years going back 20 years. Conclusion: no groups of people flooding the State to vote and no miraculous increases in the percentage of people voting --> no election stolen.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't declare a stolen election. Fraudulent as means for future fraud, yes. Set the precedent [no voter id, ballot harvesting, etc] and other states can follow the leader.

Democrats used Covid and voter's hatred of Trump to set up the long con. They are a party of grifters.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remain unconvinced of any widespread fraud in the 2020 election, especially for POTUS. If HB 1 passes as is, though, then widespread fraud will begin to happen everywhere and at every level of government.

HB 1 + unlimited immigration + Judiciary Act of 2021 = the vorpal sword which will behead the United States, killing it.

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