View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
Stone Magnet Eternal supplicant to the Black Stone

 Joined: 28 Aug 2009 Posts: 276
Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Times in 1 Posts
Location: In the Depths of R'lyeh 881 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:

|
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:51 am Post subject: |
|
|
Stonemaybe wrote: | something I've meant to investigate but can't remember the proper bit - what's the difference between 'HIGH speech' and low? |
The way I remember it, High Speech originated in Gilead and the more civilized areas of Roland's world. It can be seen as akin to Olde English, in that it is a "sophisticated", ancient, dying language. Words like Char (Charyou Tree etc) are High Speech words. The grammar is denser than Low Speech, befitting "intelligent" nobles. Low Speech is more akin to standard English, but includes common phrases from High Speech like Thankee Sai, Ka etc. The grammar is less complex, befitting a more "common" tongue. I suppose a better comparison might be Latin and English?
Heres a breakdown of some High Speech words... www.stephenking.com/darktower/glossary.html
I highly recommend you read Robin Furth's extensions and explorations into the Dark Tower after you have finished the books. The graphic novels are also excellent. _________________ Druids gather at the circle of stones,
To worship the ancient ones.
In the glow of a dying red sun,
Their rites of evil have only just begun...
Electric Wizard - Black Butterfly |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Avatar Immanentizing The Eschaton

Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 60155
Thanks: 74 Thanked 194 Times in 190 Posts
Location: Johannesburg, South Africa 37671 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:
 

|
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I think they're more closely related to each other than Latin and English.
It's emphasis seems to change across the series though...when Roland challenges Cort in book one, it's just a very formal "thee and thou" type of speech. Only later do the "Latin" aspects of it come to the fore.
--A _________________ It's easy to judge. It's more difficult to understand.
 |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Stone Magnet Eternal supplicant to the Black Stone

 Joined: 28 Aug 2009 Posts: 276
Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Times in 1 Posts
Location: In the Depths of R'lyeh 881 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:

|
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:23 am Post subject: |
|
|
^Yea true. High speech is still comprehensible to us, at least it is when Kings writing it. But then, he could be translating it for us when Roland and Cort are speaking (merely adding the quantifier "in the High Speech"), and then when Roland's speaking to Eddie/Susannah etc, he speaks Low Speech, but smatterings of High Speech creep in there. Its been awhile since I've read the series so I'm not sure about this "translation" explanation though. I think the Olde English/English comparison is a better one. _________________ Druids gather at the circle of stones,
To worship the ancient ones.
In the glow of a dying red sun,
Their rites of evil have only just begun...
Electric Wizard - Black Butterfly |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Avatar Immanentizing The Eschaton

Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 60155
Thanks: 74 Thanked 194 Times in 190 Posts
Location: Johannesburg, South Africa 37671 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:
 

|
|
Back to top |
|
 |
stonemaybe not quite might

Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 4836
Thanks: 33 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts
Location: Wallowing in the Zider Zee 8689 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:
  

|
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:38 am Post subject: |
|
|
I got the impression (and as i said, there was one bit that gave me that impression, that I can't remember now!) that it was proper english/ slang english. _________________ Aglithophile and conniptionist and spectacular moonbow beholder 16Jul11
(:/> |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Kaydene Haruchai

 Joined: 19 Aug 2009 Posts: 531
Thanks: 7 Thanked 1 Times in 1 Posts
Location: CA 1267 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:
  

|
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:37 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Or maybe like the Celtic and Welsh languages. Spoken by people who want to hang on to that history with pride, but forgotten by many.
I wish I could speak Celtic. /sigh. _________________ "This is the room where Jezebel frescoed her eyelids with history's tragic glitter." ~Tom Robbins
 |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
stonemaybe not quite might

Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 4836
Thanks: 33 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts
Location: Wallowing in the Zider Zee 8689 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:
  

|
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I just found this in WaG
Quote: | there was also a pony train.....
("Was the pony named Charlie?" Eddie Dean asked Roland.
("I think not," Roland said."We have a rather unpleasant word that sounds like that in the High speech."
("What word?" Jake asked.
("The one," said the gunslinger, "that means death." |
I take this to mean that the High speech word for 'death' sounds like Charlie. If so, it's not Latin, French, German, Spanish, Korean or Japanese. Maybe High Speech doesn't have a RL equivalent after all. _________________ Aglithophile and conniptionist and spectacular moonbow beholder 16Jul11
(:/> |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Menolly Blek Lives Metter

  Joined: 19 May 2005 Posts: 23440
Thanks: 35 Thanked 93 Times in 92 Posts
Location: Harper Hall, Fort Hold, Northern Continent, Pern... 151197 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:
  

|
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:05 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Stonemaybe wrote: | I just found this in WaG
Quote: | there was also a pony train.....
("Was the pony named Charlie?" Eddie Dean asked Roland.
("I think not," Roland said."We have a rather unpleasant word that sounds like that in the High speech."
("What word?" Jake asked.
("The one," said the gunslinger, "that means death." |
I take this to mean that the High speech word for 'death' sounds like Charlie. If so, it's not Latin, French, German, Spanish, Korean or Japanese. Maybe High Speech doesn't have a RL equivalent after all. |
...
Stone Magnet wrote: | Words like Char (Charyou Tree etc) are High Speech words. |
_________________
 |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
stonemaybe not quite might

Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 4836
Thanks: 33 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts
Location: Wallowing in the Zider Zee 8689 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:
  

|
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:42 am Post subject: |
|
|
D'oh!
Thanks Menolly, and Stone magnet! _________________ Aglithophile and conniptionist and spectacular moonbow beholder 16Jul11
(:/> |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
stonemaybe not quite might

Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 4836
Thanks: 33 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts
Location: Wallowing in the Zider Zee 8689 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:
  

|
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:01 pm Post subject: |
|
|
One thing that's made me smile throughout Wizards and Glass, is the speech patterns of the locals.
It is lifted from my part of the world - Derry and Donegal in Ireland, so it is. England has driven it out of my every day speech, so it has, but I still consider it my accent, so i do.  _________________ Aglithophile and conniptionist and spectacular moonbow beholder 16Jul11
(:/> |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
stonemaybe not quite might

Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 4836
Thanks: 33 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts
Location: Wallowing in the Zider Zee 8689 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:
  

|
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Well that's Wizards and Glass finished.
I enjoyed it, though not as much as Drawing. The whole melding fantasy and Western idea is a good one, I think, and this book is where it's done best so far.
There always seems to be a 'but' though! I really thought the bit with Roland Eddie etc in the alternative Kansas was nonsense! The Wizard of Oz bit came from nowhere (hmm I've made that criticism before) and it went nowhere either! And again, Mr Flagg proved disappointingly ineffective as a bad guy.
Salem's Lot next. This is gonna take a bit of strength. i caught a glimpse of the film as a kid, and that bit with the vampire floating outside the kid's bedroom knocking on the window freaked me out, and has stayed with me ever since! _________________ Aglithophile and conniptionist and spectacular moonbow beholder 16Jul11
(:/> |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Menolly Blek Lives Metter

  Joined: 19 May 2005 Posts: 23440
Thanks: 35 Thanked 93 Times in 92 Posts
Location: Harper Hall, Fort Hold, Northern Continent, Pern... 151197 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:
  

|
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:45 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Stonemaybe wrote: | Salem's Lot next. This is gonna take a bit of strength. i caught a glimpse of the film as a kid, and that bit with the vampire floating outside the kid's bedroom knocking on the window freaked me out, and has stayed with me ever since! |
heh.
At least you know 'Salem's Lot is about vampires.
I didn't, and had to be talked into continuing on with the journey in my Fresh Journey thread... _________________
 |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Stone Magnet Eternal supplicant to the Black Stone

 Joined: 28 Aug 2009 Posts: 276
Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Times in 1 Posts
Location: In the Depths of R'lyeh 881 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:

|
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:32 am Post subject: |
|
|
Salem's Lot is excellent. You will not be disappointed. Well, maybe its too short haha. _________________ Druids gather at the circle of stones,
To worship the ancient ones.
In the glow of a dying red sun,
Their rites of evil have only just begun...
Electric Wizard - Black Butterfly |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
stonemaybe not quite might

Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 4836
Thanks: 33 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts
Location: Wallowing in the Zider Zee 8689 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:
  

|
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Grrr. Enforced break to the series.
I was getting into Salem's Lot - couple of people had been bitten, but the storyline hadn't yet emerged. Took it on a stag weekend to Scotland, plane was delayed so we spent longer than expected in airport bar, took it out in plane and managed to leave it behind.
Can't wait without reading for a new copy to arrive so I've had to start something else. _________________ Aglithophile and conniptionist and spectacular moonbow beholder 16Jul11
(:/> |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Stone Magnet Eternal supplicant to the Black Stone

 Joined: 28 Aug 2009 Posts: 276
Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Times in 1 Posts
Location: In the Depths of R'lyeh 881 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:

|
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:41 am Post subject: |
|
|
Hate to play the Devils Advocate here but...pirated Ebook? Anyway, I read Salems Lot AFTER Wolves of the Calla, and I turned out alright.  _________________ Druids gather at the circle of stones,
To worship the ancient ones.
In the glow of a dying red sun,
Their rites of evil have only just begun...
Electric Wizard - Black Butterfly |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Avatar Immanentizing The Eschaton

Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 60155
Thanks: 74 Thanked 194 Times in 190 Posts
Location: Johannesburg, South Africa 37671 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:
 

|
|
Back to top |
|
 |
stonemaybe not quite might

Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 4836
Thanks: 33 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts
Location: Wallowing in the Zider Zee 8689 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:
  

|
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Stone Magnet wrote: | Hate to play the Devils Advocate here but...pirated Ebook? Anyway, I read Salems Lot AFTER Wolves of the Calla, and I turned out alright.  |
Look! I've stuck to Av's recommended reading order so far, and I intend to see it out! I mean, do you really think I would've finished Eyes of the Dragon unless there was a purpose?
Anyway, another 2nd hand salem's lot ordered, should be here Friday. _________________ Aglithophile and conniptionist and spectacular moonbow beholder 16Jul11
(:/> |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Menolly Blek Lives Metter

  Joined: 19 May 2005 Posts: 23440
Thanks: 35 Thanked 93 Times in 92 Posts
Location: Harper Hall, Fort Hold, Northern Continent, Pern... 151197 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:
  

|
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Stonemaybe wrote: | Stone Magnet wrote: | Hate to play the Devils Advocate here but...pirated Ebook? Anyway, I read Salems Lot AFTER Wolves of the Calla, and I turned out alright.  |
Look! I've stuck to Av's recommended reading order so far, and I intend to see it out! I mean, do you really think I would've finished Eyes of the Dragon unless there was a purpose?
Anyway, another 2nd hand salem's lot ordered, should be here Friday. |
 _________________
 |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Warmark ManBearPig

Joined: 16 Feb 2005 Posts: 4206
Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Location: Scotland 409 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:

|
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Stonemaybe wrote: | Stone Magnet wrote: | Hate to play the Devils Advocate here but...pirated Ebook? Anyway, I read Salems Lot AFTER Wolves of the Calla, and I turned out alright.  |
Look! I've stuck to Av's recommended reading order so far, and I intend to see it out! I mean, do you really think I would've finished Eyes of the Dragon unless there was a purpose?
Anyway, another 2nd hand salem's lot ordered, should be here Friday. |
Incase you dont want to buy the last few books....
Code: | http://www.warez-bb.org/viewtopic.php?t=888262 |
 _________________ But if you're all about the destination, then take a fucking flight.
We're going nowhere slowly, but we're seeing all the sights.
And we're definitely going to hell, but we'll have all the best stories to tell.
Full of the heavens and time. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Raphaelus the Younger Studioso dell'occulto

 Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Posts: 54
Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Location: Sinestadt 52 White Gold Dollars
Tokens
HP
User Items:

|
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:58 am Post subject: |
|
|
^ Cheeky! |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
|