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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's good stuff Landwaster. Awesome. I hope somebody prints that out and brings it Elohimfest. I'm sure Mr Donaldson would be thrilled by that.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bourne - some kind of dwelling I think
bediezenings - (could be wrong spelling) lights of some kind
vlei - some kind of landscape feature I think

Sorry I cannot come up with more explanations. Maybe later.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what I have for those words:

bourne - noun - 1. a brook or stream 2. [archaic] a limit; boundary 3. a destination; a goal 3. a domain (N.B. also spelled bourn)

bedizen - adjective - [now rare] to dress or decorate in a cheap, showy way ... so a cheap showy decoration for bed

vlei - noun - a Dutch word for marsh or wetland

I keep track of pretty much all their meanings, not just ones Donaldson uses, so for bourne for example, could be any one. I don't have a book/page number for a use of it, so I don't know.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i always thought preterite was simply past tense Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Until you read TCTC that's all it is. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wink lol
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget 'despite' ... I got corrected in an English class at school back in 1987 because SRD had corrupted my definition of 'despite'.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. wrote:
bourne - noun - 1. a brook or stream 2. [archaic] a limit; boundary 3. a destination; a goal 3. a domain (N.B. also spelled bourn)


In ordinary usage, the meanings are often distinguished by spelling: bourn for a stream, bourne for a border. No doubt this is because bourn is still used in a good many place-names, whereas bourne is rather poetic and archaic. Bourne would probably die out entirely were it not for the famous line from Hamlet: 'That undiscovered country from whose bourne / no traveller returns'.

In northern English and Scottish place-names, the word is often spelled burn. Cf. another famous line: 'Four thousand holes in Blackburn, Lancashire'.

(Off topic: In my own W.I.P. I have to break this rule, as I have a river called the Southbourne. This is an inadvertent pun, but one hardly worth the trouble of avoiding. Not only is it a bourn, it forms the southern border or bourne of the country in which it arises.)
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The words bourne, bediezenings and vlei all appear in TOT when they visit the Elohim. I cannot give you page numbers but it is said that the Elohim turns the sky into a "bourne of bediezenings" and that one of them turn himself into something that looks like a vlei (that is a little earlier).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In regards to preterite again. Pynchon definitely uses it as a noun to describe the people of society that have been passed over. "The preterite"
Chcek out the Pynchon website on Spermitikos Logos for some very interesting stuff.
Pynchon should be a necessary read for all you Donaldson fans.
Imagine a fantasy novel set in the reality of the end of WWII and with ridiculously obcscure references and bizzare characters.
It is not for no reason that Gravity's Rainbow is regarded as the most unread book in history (after Ulyssess of course).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we should include "bane" in the list too.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryzel wrote:
I think we should include "bane" in the list too.


Not really an obscure word, though, is it?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I just added guerson, vlei, bourne and bedizen, and added W.B.'s page as a reference.

Would still like a bit of volunteer work from the troops to take a letter each and convert some of W.B.'s entries to this format for integration. Would take some of the sting out of the workload. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Landwaster wrote:
Ryzel wrote:
I think we should include "bane" in the list too.


Not really an obscure word, though, is it?

That would depend on your definition of obscure. The wore does exist in norwegian and it is used, but only very rarely. So how would you define a word as obscure?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have thought 'little-known'.

But perhaps others can offer their thoughts. I'm willing to add 'bane' if there's a general concensus to do so Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh, it's pretty common in English. Something being "the bane of my existence" is pretty much a cliche.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

.. agreed Wink


i utter it often to my black cat Wink lol jk
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh yeah and my old bomb of a car Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know more exactly where "cerclean" is in TWL (chapter, the beginning words of its paragraph)? The editions I have (U.S. paperbacks) must have differet paginations, since I can't find it on that page. I also couldn't find it on a text file of the novel that I found online (what a great resource!), so perhaps it's misspelled.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2003 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm doesn't ring a bell ... was there a word called 'cerulean'???
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