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Should law enforcement have the ability to stop and verify the immigration status of suspected illegal immigrants?
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Only in limited circumstances
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:22 pm    Post subject: Arizona arresting illegals Reply with quote

[url]online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304604204575182721466632104.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsForth[/url]

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Arizona lawmakers on Tuesday passed one of the toughest pieces of immigration-enforcement legislation in the country, which would make it a violation of state law to be in the U.S. without proper documentation.

It would also grant police the power to stop and verify the immigration status of anyone they suspect of being illegal.




If the people are here illegally, then why be afraid to deport them. Heck every country in world does this, some a lot more agressively than the US does.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no problem with deportation once you know they're here illegally. However, stopping every hispanic looking person, specifically because they are Hispanic looking, seems overkill and racist.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted "limited circumstances."

Of course the cops have the right to do so. I'm just interested how they will determine whether somebody is a suspected illegal immigrant or not...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all for enforcement being able to check status of someone they're arresting anyway...but detaining people just to check their status and then arrest them? Absolutely reeks of racism/profiling/unreasonable search.

OTOH, I think the whole structure of legal/illegal/immigration etc. is a disaster.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering there are so many who are up in arms about the thought of a national i.d. card, this is out-of-bounds. Legal hispanic citizens will be forced to be able to provide proof of citizenship if a cop pulls them over. No, it goes too far, imo.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, a national ID card could solve the problem...legal citizens/immigrants will have one, or its equivalent. If everybody is required to produce one when stopped/questioned/whatever, then it wouldn't be singling anybody out.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, a national ID card could solve the problem...legal citizens/immigrants will have one, or its equivalent. If everybody is required to produce one when stopped/questioned/whatever, then it wouldn't be singling anybody out.

Oh, the joys of living in a country where people can stopped and asked for their [papers] cards.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's pretty much every country in the world now WF.

Heinlein said that a society that required ID was a sign one should move somewhere else. Laughing

It's been a fact of life in SA since before I was born, so I don't attach much significance to it.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Vraith....anyone being arrested they absolutely SHOULD be able to check their immigration status. But not simply detaining brown-skinned people to check them out.

And most especially, legal immigration laws and regulations DESPERATELY need to be fixed.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So as long as they aren't breaking any laws right this second (other than by being here) illegal aliens should be OK, right?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OF course not, but, there's no reason to throw out the baby with the bath water
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing that will help is to crack down on employers I think. As long as there is a market for their work, they'll keep coming.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Libertarians often skip the whole issue and say, if there weren't such an abundance of social programs, illegal immigration would be no more a concern than legal immigration.

I think they're wrong though. I think when illegal immigrants create a sort of bubble inside the host community, a bubble that doesn't have any of the social norms of the surrounding community, it isn't just the community in the bubble that suffers the consequence of illegal aliens willing to be exploited by unethical employers. Just ask the parents of any black teenager or child who has been gunned down by some hispanic gang member because of the general racism that's common among many who exist in such illegal immigrant bubble communities.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tjol wrote:
Libertarians often skip the whole issue and say, if there weren't such an abundance of social programs, illegal immigration would be no more a concern than legal immigration.

I think they're wrong though. I think when illegal immigrants create a sort of bubble inside the host community, a bubble that doesn't have any of the social norms of the surrounding community, it isn't just the community in the bubble that suffers the consequence of illegal aliens willing to be exploited by unethical employers. Just ask the parents of any black teenager or child who has been gunned down by some hispanic gang member because of the general racism that's common among many who exist in such illegal immigrant bubble communities.
To say nothing of the erosion of wages in industries such as carpentry/Building, Electronics Assembly...
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not worried about the social norms. But I don't think social programs alone are to blame. As long as they have any chance of even a slightly better life there, they'll keep coming. Even if it's only a chance of earning more money, regardless of the social programs.

We don't have much social program to speak of, but we've still got a lot of illegal immigrants pouring in...because it's a lot worse where they are.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the aliens comes into the country illegally then they should be deported the first time. No hearing, no appeals. Mandatory hard jail time for the second.
Those who enter as the perscuted should be allowed to formally apply and stay here while their application is being heard.

If each US citizen is required to have a passport or passcard for travel outside the US, then this restriction should be impose on all foreigneers entering this country.
Which is the case when foreigneers enter the country legally. Those who go through the process are very much welcomed. If they go throught the application process to work here then I welcome that.
But those who enter illegally have no respect or reguard for the country they are entering and should be dealt harshly.
Plus the people whom try to bring them in here illegally, (US citizens esp.)
should have jail and pentalies at the maximun.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds good to me.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After watching a lot of the Sunday morning political shows, it looks that the Arizona bill is pretty much disliked by most journalists and DC politico's, but it gets a fair amount of support amoung those who actually live in the border states.
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And have they specified yet under what conditions they'd be justified in asking people for proof of residence?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you hear about some of the riots in Arizona from opponents of the immigration law? Organized BTW.

www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/27/furor-grows-arizonas-illegal-immigration-law/

I didn't read this article, but look at that picture. "Free Movement Smash the State". Is it time to get our fear on?
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