What Happens to Foul when Covenant Dies?

TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd

So Covenant has effectively absorbed Foul. Will Foul still be absorbed when Covenant eventually passes away?
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DrPaul · Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:33 am Post subject:

We've conjectured about this on other threads, but I think it's clear that Covenant, Linden and Jeremiah have undergone some kind of transformation in the process of redeeming the Creation which has made them something different from ordinary mortal humans, although not necessarily immortal. It's also clear that one of the goals that Covenant has set for himself is to help Lord Foul take a less curmudgeonly view of the universe and his role within it. I don't think Lord Foul will remain absorbed if and when Covenant passes on, but the interesting questions will be (a) whether he has ceased, partly or wholly, to be a Despiser and (b) whether he will return to beyond the Arch of Time as She did.

wayfriend · Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:08 pm Post subject:

My impression is that Covenant is now immortal. He's the world's creator now, so he should be. And he would get the power from Foul, and so he could be. After being the Timewarden he would want to care for his world, and so he would be.
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dlbpharmd · Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:55 pm Post subject:

I asked SRD that very question at E'fest. As best I can recall, his answer was that we could make up our own minds.
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TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd · Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:06 am Post subject:

Can anybody say "plot hole"?
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Vraith · Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:56 am Post subject:

wayfriend · Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:00 pm Post subject:

Forgot to add... if Hile Troy can become Caer-Caveral and live for 3500 years, I think Covenant can live pretty much as long as he wants to. And it says somewhere in the first Chronicles that service to the Earth grants long life.

dlbpharmd · Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:08 pm Post subject:

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Cord Hurn · Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:57 pm Post subject:

Vizidor, if you haven't finished The Last Dark yet, than what are you doing reading posts on the TLD sub-forum?
Of course you're going to encounter spoiler information!

But, the good news is there's still plenty of surprises in store for you--as long as you can stay off this sub-forum until you've completed the book, that is.
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Cord Hurn · Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:01 am Post subject:

I crave your pardon, Vizidor, if I sounded somewhat harsh in my last post on this thread.
But as a general rule to avoid encountering spoilers, you should not read posts in a forum or sub-forum dedicated to a Donaldson book that you haven't yet finished (this particular post being an exception, of course). TheWormoftheWorld'sEnd really didn't do anything wrong.
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Wosbald · Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:44 pm Post subject:

+JMJ+

I don't mean to be a Nancy Naysayer, but this question had never crossed my mind. It just doesn't compute for me.

Foul was inside Covenant from the get-go. He only finally "accepted him inside himself" (note the dual meaning) at the end of TLD.

For that matter, Foul was also always inside everyone else (Linden, Jeremiah et al) from the get-go. But it was TC's unique issues, the specifics of his personal battle, that culminated in his need to "absorb" Foul. Linden and Jeremiah didn't need to do so in order to follow their True Selves. Their victory over selfishness lay along other paths.

IMO, the question of "what might happen next" is superfluous because these three have achieved wholeness, victory and salvation in interrelationship. They've become Family and, doing so, have found their bliss. The story really is over. That something could happen next (as wayfriend notes, "Endings to be useful must be inconclusive.") is beside the point. As it says on the dedication page, And they lived happily ever after.
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wayfriend · Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:29 pm Post subject:

Wosbald · Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:23 pm Post subject:

+JMJ+

DrPaul · Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:14 am Post subject:

High Lord Tolkien · Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:41 pm Post subject:

DrPaul · Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:37 am Post subject:

And further to my last post, later in TIW Elena confirms what Tohrm has told Covenant and elaborates on it.